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you're in the para test the gold

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standard of paranormal radio is gene

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it's shop Talk time on the power cast

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every so often every few months we

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decided just to sit back answer your

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questions pose a few of our own ignore

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some questions because you want to and

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simply explain what we're about what

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we've done and all that sort of thing so

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this week we decide to have the shoptalk

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session the first one I've done with my

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co-host Chris O'Brien so are you ready

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to be the forefront at the forefront of

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abuse here I think so Jane I'm not sure

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but I think it's a good idea this should

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be fun we've got a lot of interesting

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questions on the forum that will address

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at some point I'm sure right maybe we'll

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even Stonewall a few that's what

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politicians do you know they either do

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that or they edit them out of the final

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recording out of sight out of mind

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exactly speaking of out of sight out of

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mind now someone's back

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we had race Stanford on the show of

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course he did all that great work with

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the Socorro New Mexico case he talked

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about his own white sands related UFO

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sightings and pointed to an audio I

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believe 35 minutes long is that correct

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I forget the actual running time on it

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but yeah I think the actual total

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recording time is longer but for the

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actual event that he described on the

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show I think I was about a half-hour now

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we challenged him to produce a copy of

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that recording and make it available

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online which is pretty simple it's not a

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hard process to copy something from an

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old-fashioned cassette you just take a

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couple of plugs plug it into your

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personal computer Mac or PC get some

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audio software start playing the

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recording capture the audio and you've

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got digital recording you could even do

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a little bit of finagling later on to

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get rid of hiss and everything but maybe

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it's good enough raw unvarnished and it

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will be more believable so what happened

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well I mentioned it as I mentioned on

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the forum and actually a couple three

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shows I did mention that I had asked him

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to get the the conversion software which

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he did

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he also got a cassette player he just

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had a small kind of Walkman style player

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that just didn't have the frequency

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response I think that you would need to

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capture the subsonic tones that he was

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describing in the recording and you know

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we just kept making plans to do a

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sessions I could walk him through the

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process and it just never you know it

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never happened he does claim to have the

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recording he doesn't think that it's

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anything that is smoking-gun evidence of

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anything it's just supplemental it's

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supplemental information basically it's

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an audio recording of the site during

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the event

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doesn't seem to think that that it

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really is that special or fantastic

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except for the sound of the objects

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coming through and on the robot I guess

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was the AM radio when the objects

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reverse direction I'm still gonna work

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on him and get him to come through with

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his promise actually it's kind of

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slipped my mind the last couple three

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times I've talked to him I haven't I

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have forgotten to mention it but again I

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gotta make a note for myself I think

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it's important since he did say he was

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going to supply it I think he should and

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I do believe he has the recording it's

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just a matter of getting them motivated

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to do a session get it downloaded

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he's extremely busy finishing up his

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paper on his new you know the new

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dinosaur species that is in the

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Smithsonian okay that's shades of

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Jurassic Park Batman well it's a new

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notice or I believe that that is now on

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display in the Smithsonian it's a cast

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of a fully articulated skeleton the only

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one of its kind ever found on the East

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finishing up his magnum opus PowerPoint

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presentation which he has been giving to

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invited people that have come over to

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his his house there in Maryland and and

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he's given them an abbreviated version

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including a world-class physicist whose

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name I have to leave out of the

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conversation but someone I think a few

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of our listeners would be acquainted

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with and evidently this scientist

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called his presentation marvelous and it

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actually helped him with a particular

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angle that he was looking at in his own

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research and I guess it raised insight

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into his his data sparked some sort of

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positive response in this dis gentleman

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so I'm not sure if and when Ray will

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divulge publicly the name of this

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individual and give us the details of

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some of the other people who have very

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quietly over the last few months been

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looking at his his presentation ray and

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I have not really been in that close of

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communication the last few months

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because we've been both so busy but but

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this is you know it's an ongoing project

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I have an unpublished manuscript in his

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own words of his you know entire you

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falah djegal career in life and it's

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just it's one of the most amazing

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personal stories I have ever heard of

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and to actually be the one to you know

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be Thoth describe and get it all down in

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his own words I didn't do it for lust

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for money or some you know a million you

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know copy bestseller or something in the

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UFO field not anymore

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yeah nobody reads anymore except for our

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forum posters actually I guess a few

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books sell decently I suppose the UFO

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book from Leslie Kane sold quite

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decently yeah I'm a New York Times best

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seller lists amongst all those

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conservative book titles about politics

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but I'm sure she didn't sell a million

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copies no no way especially have a

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hardcover but I think what's important

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though is that these this wonderful life

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history of his and and just the

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incredible adventures and and all the

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documentation that he's amassed over the

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years to to support his life story I

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think it's going to be make for very

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compelling reading when he does finally

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you know decide to allow me to have it

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published I've already I already got one

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no it wasn't exactly an offer but it was

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a expression of interest from a

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publisher for the book and you know I

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think Ray is one of those rare

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individuals that is just a gem he's been

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there and done that he's helped design

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the t-shirt factory he you know

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over the years he's he's gone through

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various incarnations of where his

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interests are some of which have come

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back to haunt him a bit including his

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very prolific period for about two or

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three years where he was going into like

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an Edgar Cayce type of sub novelist

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trance and channeling all this very

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interesting information some that

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skeptics and our for writers all right

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this guy is channeling and this guy well

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he's never entities like you know Robert

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Shapiro and Z Shore or jay-z night and

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romp so basically what he does is he

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plugs into his own higher self and then

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channels so I guess technically it

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wouldn't be really called channeling but

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it is a form of information retrieval

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which he got very good at doing and I

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mean the Huell in Casey and the Edgar

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Casey's family called him the next Edgar

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Cayce in the early sixties so the jury's

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out on that his work I did read portions

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of his work on the human endocrine

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system that's just fascinating also he

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did a treatise on the on the creation

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process of creation of life on the

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planet and it's a very short little

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piece but it's very fascinating he's

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just one of those extremely fascinating

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guys and I'm really proud to have worked

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with him over the years and and he's

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very difficult to work with

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he's quite irascible and doesn't suffer

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fools even mildly and it's it's been a

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it's been a real process and I've

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learned a lot from Ray as I said I think

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in my initial appearance here on the

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podcast my first interview he has pulled

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me back towards the ETH somewhat you say

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somewhat now that's an interesting point

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of view because I want to look at

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different perspectives about what we

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think are UFOs now understand we're

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accepting this and I'm accepting it

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because you're vouching for a Stanford I

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know there's a lot of skepticism in our

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forums when people don't produce the

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evidence like for example and we were

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expecting this site to be put up by Ted

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Phillips with regard to his Marley woods

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investigation about all the strange

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things going on there

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they had a rudimentary site set up one

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of these instant site builders you know

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an iWeb or any of the parties we work

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with and you have this way of setting up

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an instant web site with a point on the

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click and you throw a few things on

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there and suddenly you fill in a few

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blanks and you have an instant website

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instant web site unfortunately he hasn't

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government knows way too much about your

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financial affairs I continue to hear

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stories of our property seizures frozen

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bank accounts confiscation of stocks and

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this is the shoptalk episode of the para

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cast with Gene and Chris and we've been

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talking first about some of the things

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that Chris has been working on behind

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the scenes like getting material from

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ray Stanford who was here talking about

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not just the Saqqara of New Mexico

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episode the famous classic UFO case of

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1964 his own white sand sightings and

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hopefully this audio tape that may or

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may not be revealing it may just play

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noises and just say well gosh golly gee

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whiz what is that

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then 1st ed Phillips with the website we

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were hoping he put up have you heard

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from Ted at all I have not I haven't

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heard Hytner hear from him the last

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thing I saw was a photograph of him and

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Jacque fell a standing there looking

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rather sheepish which was about four or

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five months ago I have not heard a peep

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I should make a couple of calls yeah a

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weird sort of Chuck sort of look on

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their face if I remember correctly I

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might have to dig it up but there's a

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picture out there okay it's probably on

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Facebook right now everybody's going to

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look for a copy next to the picture of

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Arnold Schwarzenegger left child right

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you know he should have been the

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Terminator for that particular yeah but

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then you get into that philosophy about

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termination should he have terminated

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that pregnancy but then of course a lot

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of people do not believe and that was

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the LaVista baby right well yeah maybe

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but you know in the real world a lot of

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people don't believe and that sort of

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things so it's a Republican yeah you see

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that's it and then you have all and he

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does seem to be a person who likes lots

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of kids I mean he had four kids with

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Maria Shriver they're sharp sharp tools

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and knives and stuff out of the house oh

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boy right now she's after him you know

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you know I understand they kept their

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money separate but it's not even that

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because you know Arnold's very rich but

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of course Maria Shriver comes from a

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rich family so

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she hasn't have as much as the former

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governor did but she still probably has

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lots of money no how do we get on this

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subject I don't know it's because this

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is a shoptalk kind of thing let's talk

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about what you've been doing okay

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now you made a trip for a number of days

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to New Mexico did I was it New Mexico

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New Mexico and Colorado okay New Mexico

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and Colorado now I realize there's still

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things that are under construction in

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terms of the details of course getting

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permission from people you talk to to

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mention it in public but maybe give

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everyone more of an overview of what you

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did well first of all I finally was able

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to meet in and talk at length with

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rosemary ellen guiley at the recent UFO

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congress down in at the Fort McDowell

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Casino and of course you know was quite

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familiar with her work over the years we

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had I think correspondent once or twice

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but we never actually met and talked and

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this is an opportunity for me to get to

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know her and vice versa and and one of

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the things that she mentioned is that

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Phil Umbraco and her are working on a

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book on I think it's a follow up book on

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portal areas and Gateway areas she's you

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know of course familiar with much of my

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work so she was very interested in

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taking a longer trip to the San Luis

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Valley she'd visited there once I think

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in 2005 but it was just real brief ago

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standpoint where is the San Luis Valley

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well the San Luis Valley is the largest

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alpine valley in the world and it's

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about 160 or so miles long if you count

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the portion of the geologic Valley where

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it goes down into New Mexico the San

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Luis Valley portion of it

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the name is for the Colorado side of the

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border and then it extends down to Taos

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about another 7080 miles so it's it's

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long football-shaped valley it's

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completely surrounded by by mountains

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it's radar invisible below 18,000 feet

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it's a very special sacred area to

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Native Americans it's the only actual

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region in America where three regional

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groups of Indians overlapped you have

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the the Great Plains in the ends Great

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Basin

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and Southwest tribes at all all went

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there during the warmer months to hunt

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do vision quests it was it's always been

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considered a very kind of a spooky

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special place the Spanish who made it up

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to Taos for almost 200 years

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officially didn't venture up into the

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valley because it was del Norte it's

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where you know the boogeyman lived and

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it was never really settled until the

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mid 17th century in the 1840s and 50s so

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it's it's a very special place I lived

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there for 13 years I investigated

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thousands of claims of unusual events

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about 1,000 or so have made it into my

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database with enough information date

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time location witness name description

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of the event etc there's an awful lot of

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in interesting military activity and

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government activity that takes place in

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the area which I've I've always had a

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feeling was somehow tied into the higher

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strange activity there okay obviously

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the skeptics gonna ask the question so

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I'm going to be ok you folks are ok the

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military activity how is this observed

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they see the military trucks do they see

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the Hummers what right we have convoys

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large tunnel-boring equipment has been

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seen going through there are the

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regional National Guard unit was changed

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from a medical unit to a military police

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unit and that kind of raised some

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eyebrows but most importantly it is the

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western edge of the La Veta Lowell 'evil

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flight operations and training area

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which is one of the main airspace chunks

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of airspace in the country where we

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train our Air Force and Air National

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Guard pilots we also even rent out I

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think time to the Germans the Israelis

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so it's a huge about 70 miles square

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area that well actually so about a

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hundred square mile area go some web

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loading salida from slide it down to

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Blanca peak from Blanca peak out to

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Wallenberg from Wallenberg up to Pueblo

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so it's this huge area that's a you know

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a low level flight training area and of

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course the Sangre de Cristo's which is

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the border of the valley on the eastern

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side of the valley is

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also the edge of the la Vida flight

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operations area and it's interesting

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that the the area where we tend to have

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most of our sighting reports comes from

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that side of the valley where the La

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Veta operations area tends to overlap

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into the valley so you know we've had

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reports back in the early 90s of planes

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chasing objects there was a report in I

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think 69 - archaeologists were digging

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for human remains

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paleo man out in the Great Sand Dunes

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area and saw two f4 phantoms chased an

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object over the great sand dunes where

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it hit a top of a dune flipped over end

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over end and crashed into the dune field

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that's why the question would be then

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Chris it's not secret weapons that

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they're just chasing them as a military

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exercise well we've had jets and

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helicopters accompanying triangle craft

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we've had reports of dog fights between

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unusual aerial craft and what appeared

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to be military jets complete with cannon

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fire are heard by witnesses in one case

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so there seems to be a scene where

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there's interaction between these

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unusual unexplained craft and what

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appeared to be conventional craft I

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personally have seen an unpainted c-130

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one flying overhead over Mount Blanca I

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painted being white black course it was

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a bright you know like aluminum colored

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like it had just the raw metal of one

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plate look like a brand new plane I had

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50 power binoculars on it and it blinked

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out right as I was looking at it with

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binoculars a blank guy disappeared

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totally it it flashed and disappeared

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totally in about five seconds later the

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sound disappeared I know Chris where it

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is I think you know what I'm gonna say

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space fans are you ready for this it's a

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cloaking device some sort of cloaking

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device or some sort of dimensional

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doorway would be another possible

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to the podcast the gold standard of

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shoptalk episode where Chris and myself

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we just will be talking about different

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subjects answering your questions but

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right now Chris is talking about a lot

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of fascinating experiences and this is

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almost worth a lot of the show by itself

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so you see this unpainted aircraft and

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it winks out and you wonder do they have

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some kind of new stealth technology

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you know us we heard that scientists are

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working on invisibility right okay so is

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this foundation of invisibility well

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what happened to the to the air those

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four big engines so all of a sudden they

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clicked out to about five seconds after

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the visual you know sound obviously

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travels slower than light so it seemed

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like a simultaneous thing with the

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evidence of the sound cutting off you

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know lagging behind the actual view of

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the craft visually so anyway the reason

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why I bring all this stuff up is is this

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valley is is an incredible playground

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not only for our tax dollars and the

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boys with toys but you know the legends

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and traditions and the history of the

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locale suggests that something else uses

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that area as an aerial playground and

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possibly you know there are locations

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there that deserve real serious

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scientific scrutiny one of the things

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that getting back to the original

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question of about my trip as rosemary

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had mentioned she wanted to go up there

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and I had to go up there for my camera

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project which we will discuss I'm sure

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at some point here and so I offered to

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dovetail my trip with her so we spent a

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week up in the valley and during that

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time period I also investigated two

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ongoing cases that I've been working

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with Thomas pay and and in the valley

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Thomas's field investigator who I've

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been working with there in the valley

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for almost 12 years now and the first

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part of our trip

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actually was quite exciting for me

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because the southern end of the valley

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below the New Mexico border is an area

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that I have not had the chance to really

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fully explore you know off the beaten

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track and and this was an opportunity

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for both rosemary and I to be taken to

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places that neither of us had been to

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and it was a double-blind situation

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where Tomas would not front Lotus with

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any sort of information about some of

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the areas we were going to and we were

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kind of vibing in rosemary and I were

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vibing in on on certain areas that we

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were taken to and vibing in that's the

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only way I can describe it you know I I

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do have some training in working with my

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sensitivities my ability to be aware of

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some sort of intangible energetic

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process in an area especially in the

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valley

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I spent many years there and and I I do

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have a sense of the valley and I tune

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into it I mean I don't know how else to

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to describe it or explain it I'm sure

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lance and others on the board are just

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gonna roll their eyes and poopoo this

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but I don't really care I I've spent

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years out in the field I've developed

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some I think heightened awareness when

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it comes to geophysical energy I know

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rosemary is quite sensitive and and has

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done similar work in her own life and I

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think she has some pretty amazing

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natural ability as well I have a little

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natural ability to but this was an

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opportunity for us to to really kind of

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vibe in on like I said these areas and

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and see if there was something special

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there I did not pick up on much in the

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south end of the valley to be honest

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with you rosemary did little it was in

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the middle portion of the valley in the

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north end of the valley during the

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second half of our trip that we both had

746
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a very interesting experience okay stop

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right there I'm gonna ask you about that

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can you tell us about the interesting

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experience well without digressing too

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far on this over the years I've been

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sort of zeroing in on what I consider to

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be places very location specific spots

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actually it's in the form of a

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of like a long about mile and a half by

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a quarter mile wide corridor where there

756
00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:47,130
seems to be certain types of dimensional

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00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:49,990
aberrations if you will or sightings of

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what appear to be forms diminutive human

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00:31:59,100 --> 00:31:57,220
forms undulating I call them prairie

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00:32:02,820 --> 00:31:59,110
dragons I'll know how to describe them

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00:32:06,030 --> 00:32:02,830
and there have been reports of a ghost

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00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:06,040
herd of horses that's been seen several

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00:32:09,870 --> 00:32:08,290
times actually ghost riders in the sky

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there's something like that it's a herd

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of ghostly horses that that look like

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that they're galloping in some other

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00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:15,310
time frame basically because the

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00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:17,820
background is not the same as it as a

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you know there's no fence lines there's

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trees where there's not supposed to be

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00:32:25,230 --> 00:32:23,350
that's I think when you see this sort of

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00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:25,240
thing I've never seen anything like that

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00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:29,710
but I have alright you talk to people

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00:32:33,870 --> 00:32:32,500
who have if you ever think that what

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00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:33,880
they might be seeing if we're talking

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00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:36,250
about portal areas they're looking into

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00:32:41,250 --> 00:32:38,310
something it's happening elsewhere

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00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:41,260
another dimension another place or

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00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,050
another time even it may be a time

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00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:47,200
displacement effect I don't know all I

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00:32:51,090 --> 00:32:48,730
know is when you get three independent

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00:32:53,550 --> 00:32:51,100
people report the same phenomena over

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00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:53,560
the space of a two-hour period I that's

784
00:33:01,980 --> 00:32:57,070
notable to me and in any way this

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00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:01,990
corridor I have slowly been zeroing in

786
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on over the years where I think the

787
00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:08,500
center point of this it's like a tear in

788
00:33:12,570 --> 00:33:10,630
in reality is the only way I could you

789
00:33:14,940 --> 00:33:12,580
know possibly describe it I think it's

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00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:14,950
where the the veil of reality could be

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00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:17,410
thinnest and it's like stretching taffy

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00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:19,630
and holes appear this is one of the the

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00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:22,390
holes that appear in taffy of reality

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00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:25,870
and after we had talked to a couple who

795
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,820
are right now having an ongoing series a

796
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:29,440
very unusual events occurring on their

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00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:32,650
property we had had dinner there and we

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00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:34,420
were headed back to where we were

799
00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:37,900
staying at a friend's place and I got

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00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:39,460
the hit oh I should take her down to

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00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:41,770
this one spot that that I've had quite a

802
00:33:46,350 --> 00:33:43,450
number of experiences that personally

803
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:46,360
and seems to be the epicenter of this

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00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:49,730
particular rent if you will and it

805
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:51,350
normally when I go down to a place like

806
00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:53,570
this III don't just barge right in

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00:33:58,780 --> 00:33:56,270
especially it you know around 10 11

808
00:34:01,180 --> 00:33:58,790
o'clock at night usually at night you

809
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,190
tend to operate a little bit more slowly

810
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:03,200
you would think also the local residents

811
00:34:08,170 --> 00:34:06,320
have their rifles pointed at you well

812
00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:08,180
this is pretty far it's not in sight

813
00:34:14,350 --> 00:34:10,940
really line of sight with any houses

814
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:14,360
it's a secluded area houses are nearby

815
00:34:20,050 --> 00:34:16,570
but they're up and over hills

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and Sanibel pardon me

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creditors I'm thinking wild animals I

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mean this is one of the most remote

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areas and you know in America this spot

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is about 65 minutes from the nearest

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stoplight so anyway where we barge into

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this area and we both distinctly felt

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something rush up to us I I was able to

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discern what appeared to be sort of like

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a faint ripples of light kind of like

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waves but but oscillating fairly fast it

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this particular area which is about a

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hundred yards by a hundred yards it's a

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rough circle it came right up to me

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within inches of me I felt some sort of

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every type of you know paranormal

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investigation that there is out there

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situations and I and I I'm used to being

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in situations where maybe other people

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will freak out I will always be the one

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that's the rocket Gibraltar I don't

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really feel threatened in these these

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situation I didn't feel threatened but I

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definitely felt like I had not prepared

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possibly I was concerned about rosemary

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because I knew I could just tell the way

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she tensed up next to me she you know we

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were shoulder to shoulder and I could

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feel it tense up because she picked up

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on it as well and we both felt this

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front of us and then we both saw

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something kind of undulate closer to the

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ground off to the right next to her

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before I could get the words out of my

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mouth

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perhaps we should come back in the

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morning I forget exactly what I was

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gonna say she said though I think we

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should leave so we both you know just

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kind of walked out of the area and you

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wilderness just Tim and rosemary ellen

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guiley nobody around and you felt the

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came across this expands probably about

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thirty forty yards

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it it was very faint but it was

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definitely there we both felt it we

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turned around we left we went back up to

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the house and and we were discussing

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this and rosemary was impressed she

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wanted to know more about the location I

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was telling her about some of the

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reports I took her there blind she had

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no idea why she was being taken there I

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didn't frontloader with any sort of you

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know leading type information I just

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said I want to get your impression of a

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particular spot in

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and that's where I took her so we're

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sitting around the table discussing this

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they got to have a witness for this this

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following little PostScript she's facing

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east I'm facing South at the table on

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the south side of the room were two rows

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of Windows there was a large windowsill

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on the bottom row that had two rows of

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plastic cups with dirt and plants in

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them you know four starts for the garden

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and then above on the more narrow

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windowsill between the two sets of

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windows was another single row of these

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plants and they were you know securely

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there I mean they were not just sitting

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there you know very tipsy and Rosalie

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made the comment well I I hope whatever

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it was down there didn't follow us back

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here and the second she said that I was

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looking right at one cups and it left us

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though it no sill and landed on the rug

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now if it had just toppled over it would

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have fallen into the wide windowsill

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with the two rows of plants and knocked

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you know those plants over it the

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windowsill into the room okay the window

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was open no okay so it sounded like the

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wind is coming through when it those

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00:43:43,479 --> 00:43:40,489
things there was no wind

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we checked all that there was no earthly

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reason why this thing should have jumped

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off unless I have some sort of latent

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psychokinetic powers I happen to be

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looking right at it when she said that

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so maybe it was me maybe it was maybe it

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was some weird sort of you know

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instantaneous just add water poltergeist

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event with me as the catalyst or

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something I don't know but we both

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looked hopefully whatever that was

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didn't follow us here when maybe it did

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I didn't have any weird dreams or you

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know it didn't really freak me out I was

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actually kind of I thought it was kind

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of funny you know it's interesting Chris

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you tell us here you've had all these

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experiences you're around this

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phenomenon all the time but I'm always

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around people who have these experiences

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but I never have them myself maybe I'm

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lucky no no I you know it validation of

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this type is is exciting to me you know

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you can go

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and months even years working out in the

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field and not get a validation that is

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you know sometimes I wonder why am I

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doing this what is my motivation I mean

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what you know I'm spending all this time

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and money and resources and energy and

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for what

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you know sometimes I get into this thing

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of just wondering why why do I bother

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and you know because the more you get

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into this obviously the more jaded and

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the more skeptical you become and that

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holds true for me but I'm still

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open-minded enough to to recognize when

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I think coincidental if you will or

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synchronistic events happen that that

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reinforce that sense that you are

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properly motivated to do these things

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that it's an unsung task and you know

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there's probably little if any reward at

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the end of the process but it's it's a

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journey of self-discovery and it's a

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journey of trying to to uncover some of

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the things that the skeptics just go

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crazy about and I think if if I could

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accomplish one thing and prove that

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there is something to all this in in one

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way shape or form or another I'll die a

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happy man I think it's a it's a

1083
00:45:58,100 --> 00:45:56,280
wonderful opportunity for me to to learn

1084
00:46:00,140 --> 00:45:58,110
more about myself learn more about the

1085
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,150
reality that I co inhabit with everybody

1086
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,400
else and you know we're living in

1087
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:05,280
interesting times and I think if we are

1088
00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:08,880
entering into this period of time that

1089
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:11,070
may be catastrophic it may be

1090
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,000
transformative

1091
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:13,760
I think the areas of the planet that

1092
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:16,050
maybe are a little bit more special

1093
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:17,670
might be the places where these things

1094
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:20,250
are manifesting first you know this to

1095
00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:23,130
take the science fiction attitude here

1096
00:46:26,810 --> 00:46:25,140
for a moment because we have of course

1097
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:26,820
the anomalies in primeval

1098
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:29,970
the BBC TV series where strange

1099
00:46:33,770 --> 00:46:32,010
creatures come through these anomalies

1100
00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:33,780
and that the number of anomalies are

1101
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:36,630
increasing around the world we have the

1102
00:46:41,050 --> 00:46:38,790
TV show fringe based on the same concept

1103
00:46:44,330 --> 00:46:41,060
that there is some interaction between

1104
00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:44,340
reality a and reality be that's

1105
00:46:49,070 --> 00:46:46,500
increasing do you see looking at the

1106
00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:49,080
paranormal universe something in the

1107
00:46:51,970 --> 00:46:51,240
factual real world as much of a real

1108
00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:51,980
world as we

1109
00:46:56,260 --> 00:46:54,230
do you see the same thing happening that

1110
00:46:58,060 --> 00:46:56,270
more and more of these window areas are

1111
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,070
appearing for one purpose or another

1112
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:00,079
well I'm not sure if more of more of

1113
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:02,089
them are appearing I think they're there

1114
00:47:08,890 --> 00:47:05,119
already I think we're seeing precursor

1115
00:47:13,060 --> 00:47:08,900
type activity in these areas possibly

1116
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:13,070
ramping up we for some reason for

1117
00:47:16,810 --> 00:47:15,290
instance we saw an upsurge of very

1118
00:47:19,210 --> 00:47:16,820
interesting activity in the San Luis

1119
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,220
Valley right around the time period that

1120
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:21,920
el Rose Mary Ellen and I went up there

1121
00:47:28,780 --> 00:47:25,810
for instance the day before we arrived

1122
00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:28,790
there was a 3.9 earthquake

1123
00:47:34,030 --> 00:47:32,180
pretty nowt of at a character for the

1124
00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:34,040
area just over the mountains 30 miles to

1125
00:47:40,569 --> 00:47:38,990
the to the east the night after we

1126
00:47:43,180 --> 00:47:40,579
visited the first case that we

1127
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,190
investigated there was quite a pretty

1128
00:47:47,890 --> 00:47:45,200
spectacular UFO sighting that happened

1129
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,900
just over the mountains to the west and

1130
00:47:53,530 --> 00:47:49,760
then two nights later there was another

1131
00:47:55,780 --> 00:47:53,540
another sighting event that occurred the

1132
00:47:58,030 --> 00:47:55,790
people that we visited on Wednesday on

1133
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,040
two nights later well actually three

1134
00:48:02,130 --> 00:47:59,839
nights later on Friday night had a very

1135
00:48:04,450 --> 00:48:02,140
riveting sighting so whether that's

1136
00:48:08,890 --> 00:48:04,460
synchronistic coincidental or what have

1137
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:08,900
you I do think that these special portal

1138
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:11,359
areas or window areas are going we're

1139
00:48:15,490 --> 00:48:13,400
gonna see an increase in activity in

1140
00:48:18,099 --> 00:48:15,500
these areas which will pre stage

1141
00:48:19,930 --> 00:48:18,109
possibly more of a general up creep you

1142
00:48:22,750 --> 00:48:19,940
know increase in ups up taken in

1143
00:48:25,180 --> 00:48:22,760
activity around around the planets so I

1144
00:48:27,069 --> 00:48:25,190
mean that's my hunch that's my intuitive

1145
00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:27,079
guessed you know obviously I don't have

1146
00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:29,390
anything to back that up but it might be

1147
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:30,950
interesting to see if this is actually

1148
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:33,530
the case and that we may be heading into

1149
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:35,810
some sort of heightened period of

1150
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:38,510
activity that may be right around the

1151
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:40,310
corner this is something good or bad I

1152
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:42,530
mean we're hearing of course all the

1153
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,170
rumors about impending events world

1154
00:48:50,530 --> 00:48:47,359
ending world changing events obviously

1155
00:48:52,809 --> 00:48:50,540
we have all those stories about 2012 the

1156
00:48:54,670 --> 00:48:52,819
Mayan calendar and all that which I

1157
00:48:56,980 --> 00:48:54,680
don't necessarily take seriously but I

1158
00:48:59,260 --> 00:48:56,990
mean it sounds good to speculate about

1159
00:49:03,069 --> 00:48:59,270
it so let's speculate about it are we

1160
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:03,079
seeing then an Armageddon a change a

1161
00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:05,210
transition what I think the jury is

1162
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:06,470
still out

1163
00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:09,710
you know I'd like to think of myself as

1164
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:11,960
the eternal optimist you know I'm

1165
00:49:18,210 --> 00:49:14,050
helping fill the glass forget the

1166
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:18,220
half-empty half-full scenario but I

1167
00:49:23,470 --> 00:49:21,290
don't know I think I think it's it's

1168
00:49:25,570 --> 00:49:23,480
50/50 I think it could go either way or

1169
00:49:27,370 --> 00:49:25,580
both maybe some of us will be

1170
00:49:29,290 --> 00:49:27,380
transformed and the rest of us will die

1171
00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:29,300
you know or the other way around

1172
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:31,430
or it will just remain normal schlubs

1173
00:49:36,490 --> 00:49:33,890
and just right just keep on keeping on

1174
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:36,500
so we are definitely entering a very

1175
00:49:42,010 --> 00:49:39,170
very crucial I think transitional period

1176
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:42,020
in human history that sense I have very

1177
00:49:49,180 --> 00:49:45,920
strongly whether this whole 2012 thing

1178
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:49,190
is just y 2 0 1 2 K or not I have a

1179
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:51,650
suspicion that kind of is I think we're

1180
00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:53,690
gonna see some pretty interesting I

1181
00:50:02,220 --> 00:49:58,970
think geophysical stuff going on someone

1182
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:02,230
to you know maybe an uptick in in more

1183
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:06,710
earthquake volcano weird weather I think

1184
00:50:12,250 --> 00:50:09,310
these things will continue to escalate

1185
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,260
and and this could give the appearance

1186
00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:13,760
of something real negative but maybe

1187
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:15,500
it's it's off it's all for the

1188
00:50:20,020 --> 00:50:18,290
collective good you know maybe it's

1189
00:50:23,140 --> 00:50:20,030
weeding out the gene pool I you know I

1190
00:50:26,109 --> 00:50:23,150
really don't know the Maya my

1191
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:26,119
interpretation of in my own research

1192
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:29,330
looking at the Maya calendars with

1193
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:32,330
plural there's 17 of them it you see

1194
00:50:36,370 --> 00:50:33,890
that's the one thing I wanted to ask you

1195
00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:36,380
about here they talk about the end of

1196
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:38,270
one particular calendar or a group of

1197
00:50:44,050 --> 00:50:41,119
calendars do they all speak of an

1198
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:44,060
endpoint in 2012 none of them speak of

1199
00:50:47,230 --> 00:50:45,650
an endpoint there's days predicted by

1200
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:47,240
the Maya that go all the way to the Year

1201
00:50:51,820 --> 00:50:50,089
5000 something the Mayan calendars do

1202
00:50:53,950 --> 00:50:51,830
not end it's like saying our kin when

1203
00:50:54,820 --> 00:50:53,960
does our calendar end our calendar

1204
00:50:57,790 --> 00:50:54,830
doesn't end

1205
00:51:00,130 --> 00:50:57,800
we have cycles in the Mayan kalindra

1206
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:00,140
coal system there's three there's oak in

1207
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:01,730
the cartoon in the bakhtin that are

1208
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:03,890
clicking over to a whole new cycle like

1209
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:06,800
the odometer on your old 60 Chevy

1210
00:51:13,540 --> 00:51:08,930
odometer clicking over to zero see

1211
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:13,550
nowadays cars have 999,999 miles it's no

1212
00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:15,650
longer a hundred thousand right exactly

1213
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:17,860
so yeah in their digital too

1214
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,520
but I do sex and easier to backdate

1215
00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:22,960
those so da meters you know you go to

1216
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:25,390
the used car dealer bring the car in the

1217
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:28,240
car has 60,000 miles but when the next

1218
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:29,890
person buys it it's twenty three

1219
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:31,930
thousand they do it digitally so you

1220
00:51:36,810 --> 00:51:34,330
don't see some kind of effect or

1221
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:36,820
anything easier to fake tell you why

1222
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:38,650
seriously we're talking to Chris O'Brien

1223
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:42,010
Jean Steinberg the shop talking episode

1224
00:51:53,130 --> 00:51:51,250
you're in the para cast hi this is Ted

1225
00:51:55,230 --> 00:51:53,140
Anderson if you'd like to listen to GCN

1226
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1237
00:52:20,850 --> 00:52:18,340
listening to GC and live.com again

1238
00:52:22,170 --> 00:52:20,860
that's juicy and live.com hi this is Ted

1239
00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:22,180
Anderson have you ever wondered why

1240
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:24,220
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

1241
00:52:28,530 --> 00:52:26,170
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

1242
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:28,540
available since 1986 yet the financial

1243
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:30,250
industry won't recognize the value of

1244
00:52:34,110 --> 00:52:31,930
gold for your retirement goal is

1245
00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:34,120
outperform paper investments yet no word

1246
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:35,950
about IRAs if you would like to have

1247
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806-853-9949

1248
00:52:56,730 --> 00:52:53,880
[Music]

1249
00:52:59,520 --> 00:52:56,740
welcome back to the pear cast the gold

1250
00:53:07,380 --> 00:52:59,530
standard of paranormal radio and now

1251
00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:07,390
here's Jean Steinberg talking shop on

1252
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:09,460
the para cast with Jean and Chris

1253
00:53:15,060 --> 00:53:11,950
talking about Chris's exploration in

1254
00:53:17,580 --> 00:53:15,070
Colorado and New Mexico strange events

1255
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:17,590
we're talking about the calendars that

1256
00:53:23,609 --> 00:53:21,090
might predict or forecast some kind of

1257
00:53:25,350 --> 00:53:23,619
world-changing event we've been talking

1258
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:25,360
about that for a long time though you

1259
00:53:30,380 --> 00:53:27,850
know for lots of years every few years

1260
00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:30,390
well the world's gonna end next year and

1261
00:53:34,109 --> 00:53:32,470
somehow we've seemed to muddy through

1262
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:34,119
but I have this other crazy theory

1263
00:53:38,730 --> 00:53:36,510
whenever this happens we are all

1264
00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:38,740
universally transformed into another

1265
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:41,950
reality and we go on okay what was that

1266
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:44,410
that that theory that somebody said well

1267
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:46,930
the world actually ended in 1976 or

1268
00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:49,330
something and everything changed we just

1269
00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:50,740
don't have recollection of it or

1270
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:51,190
something

1271
00:53:55,410 --> 00:53:54,010
oh boy if it did isn't that interesting

1272
00:53:57,720 --> 00:53:55,420
think about that theory for a moment

1273
00:53:59,490 --> 00:53:57,730
ladies and gentlemen that may be we've

1274
00:54:01,590 --> 00:53:59,500
gone through several realities already

1275
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:01,600
we've left a few by the wayside you know

1276
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:03,000
sitting there on the cutting room floor

1277
00:54:06,810 --> 00:54:05,470
imagine leaving a reality on the cutting

1278
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:06,820
room floor it sounds like a motion

1279
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:09,609
picture or maybe this is the matrix

1280
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:11,770
existence you ever think that all we are

1281
00:54:19,620 --> 00:54:15,130
are tusks or brains in these

1282
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:19,630
laboratories in this container or glass

1283
00:54:24,690 --> 00:54:22,930
filled with fluid hooked into large

1284
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:24,700
computer systems and we're imagining

1285
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:27,010
everything we're all our worst

1286
00:54:33,180 --> 00:54:31,450
nightmares well I can't really comment

1287
00:54:35,970 --> 00:54:33,190
on that too much but boy I can comment

1288
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:35,980
on the year 1976 which is my second year

1289
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:39,250
of college I I was 19 and boy was I

1290
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:41,770
having fun so if the world change and

1291
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,119
everything if the world ended and

1292
00:54:47,370 --> 00:54:45,040
everything changed it was probably

1293
00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:47,380
during one of my psychedelic experiences

1294
00:54:52,260 --> 00:54:49,630
when that happened and I was none the

1295
00:54:53,580 --> 00:54:52,270
wiser yeah well maybe that's when you

1296
00:54:55,260 --> 00:54:53,590
have a transition we all have to

1297
00:54:57,390 --> 00:54:55,270
transition when you were going to

1298
00:54:59,790 --> 00:54:57,400
college the world turned well that's

1299
00:55:01,710 --> 00:54:59,800
what I was doing in 76 I can't vouch for

1300
00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:01,720
everybody else but in fact that game

1301
00:55:05,609 --> 00:55:03,430
would voucher myself half the time that

1302
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:05,619
year I had too much fun too many

1303
00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:06,490
girlfriends

1304
00:55:11,970 --> 00:55:09,700
too much partying and too much fun hmm

1305
00:55:13,830 --> 00:55:11,980
my crazy years were in my late 20s I

1306
00:55:17,340 --> 00:55:13,840
don't want to get into that again it's

1307
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:17,350
just too complicated you were telling me

1308
00:55:22,380 --> 00:55:19,210
that you're starting to lean more

1309
00:55:25,380 --> 00:55:22,390
towards the ETH theory about UFOs again

1310
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:25,390
what precipitated this well I wouldn't

1311
00:55:29,490 --> 00:55:27,610
say I'm starting to lean that way I said

1312
00:55:31,350 --> 00:55:29,500
I'm being pulled a little bit towards

1313
00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:31,360
the center the center being totally

1314
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:34,630
agnostic and neutral neither Pro ETH or

1315
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:37,510
anti or pro interdimensional or meta or

1316
00:55:42,660 --> 00:55:40,380
altered terrestrial or the anti

1317
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:42,670
basically the work of race Stanford I

1318
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:46,960
think does lend some credence to and ETH

1319
00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:50,410
potential ETH hypothesis based on his

1320
00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:52,750
observation that why would something

1321
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:55,480
dimensional need giant grandmother ships

1322
00:55:58,920 --> 00:55:57,250
to carry mother ships to shoot off

1323
00:56:00,510 --> 00:55:58,930
little Scout ships unless they were

1324
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:00,520
trying to conserve energy traveling long

1325
00:56:07,950 --> 00:56:03,369
distances that rationale and that

1326
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:07,960
argument does have a ring to it so you

1327
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:10,480
know I again I have never factored the

1328
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:12,760
ETH out I just feel that we should

1329
00:56:17,490 --> 00:56:15,070
exhaust all closed system potential

1330
00:56:20,550 --> 00:56:17,500
answers before we jump off planet that's

1331
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:20,560
always been my kind of my mantra about

1332
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:22,930
all this but one of the things that I I

1333
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:26,230
do recognize is some good diagnostic

1334
00:56:30,750 --> 00:56:28,090
scientific work the race Stanford has

1335
00:56:34,290 --> 00:56:30,760
been doing for many years and and it

1336
00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:34,300
does it does I think have relevance and

1337
00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:38,440
his his insight and observational acuity

1338
00:56:46,410 --> 00:56:42,460
I think does support the potential for

1339
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:46,420
in ETH presence I I'm not convinced of

1340
00:56:53,730 --> 00:56:50,290
it yet but more than any other person I

1341
00:56:56,580 --> 00:56:53,740
think he has made the strongest argument

1342
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:56,590
supporting that particular scenario but

1343
00:57:01,050 --> 00:56:58,000
none of that excludes the other

1344
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,060
explanations no of course not the other

1345
00:57:06,690 --> 00:57:03,359
the other possibilities are probably

1346
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:06,700
more prevalent in this regard than a

1347
00:57:12,330 --> 00:57:09,850
standard ETH scenario now looking back

1348
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:12,340
over what a year year and a half ago we

1349
00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:14,050
had the book by the late Mac Tony's

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00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:15,480
published

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00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:17,810
called the crypto terrestrials and

1352
00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:20,940
basically it brought back theories that

1353
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:22,619
we've dealt with for a number of years

1354
00:57:28,849 --> 00:57:26,220
about UFOs having an earthly or other

1355
00:57:32,859 --> 00:57:28,859
dimensional origin looking at that today

1356
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:32,869
did it make any impact at all I don't

1357
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:34,980
think so I think it may have opened

1358
00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:38,010
people's minds up to you know at least

1359
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:41,640
be aware of other possibilities I I

1360
00:57:48,980 --> 00:57:44,910
think he we hashed some ground that's

1361
00:57:52,270 --> 00:57:48,990
already been you know sort of worked

1362
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:52,280
before John keel Trevor James Constable

1363
00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:55,920
there's a number of people that have

1364
00:58:00,460 --> 00:57:58,500
made proposals suggesting alternative

1365
00:58:03,830 --> 00:58:00,470
theories of course sake chockful a no

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00:58:06,770 --> 00:58:03,840
idea of the matter to rest Jill I think

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00:58:09,050 --> 00:58:06,780
what he did was he it was more of an

1368
00:58:10,849 --> 00:58:09,060
exercise for him I don't think he really

1369
00:58:12,980 --> 00:58:10,859
fully bought into the to his theory I

1370
00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:12,990
mean throughout the book he does mention

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00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:15,480
there's tons of holes in the theory but

1372
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:17,250
it's it's an example of the type of

1373
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:18,810
creative thinking that I've been trying

1374
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:21,720
to champion during my you know you're

1375
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,510
here on the pair of cast and and I think

1376
00:58:28,849 --> 00:58:27,119
if it did anything it really inspired

1377
00:58:30,609 --> 00:58:28,859
people to start thinking outside of the

1378
00:58:34,460 --> 00:58:30,619
box a little bit more and an

1379
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,470
entertaining in an open mind and in new

1380
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:37,440
possibilities I think if if something

1381
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,090
could be said for that particular book

1382
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:41,280
that that is what kind of comes through

1383
00:58:51,050 --> 00:58:44,700
in my mind I would have hoped it would

1384
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:51,060
have had the impact a much larger impact

1385
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:53,130
and it did it was published by a small

1386
00:58:57,410 --> 00:58:56,130
publisher anomalous books no good people

1387
00:59:00,500 --> 00:58:57,420
they published really interesting

1388
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:00,510
volumes but I just got editor really

1389
00:59:07,940 --> 00:59:04,680
persevere much after we did the show you

1390
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:07,950
know well you know I I didn't have the

1391
00:59:13,099 --> 00:59:10,710
you know the opportunity to spend an

1392
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:13,109
afternoon with Mack I did you know

1393
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:16,050
correspond with him some I found him to

1394
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:17,970
be a real bright light in the younger

1395
00:59:24,050 --> 00:59:20,400
generation that's coming up in this this

1396
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:24,060
whole morass of a field and it was very

1397
00:59:27,010 --> 00:59:26,310
insightful guy very creative excellent

1398
00:59:31,690 --> 00:59:27,020
writer

1399
00:59:33,970 --> 00:59:31,700
and I just I'm saddened still today that

1400
00:59:38,050 --> 00:59:33,980
you know we don't have him here

1401
00:59:41,350 --> 00:59:38,060
you know shouldering along with us I do

1402
00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:41,360
feel that there are other younger folks

1403
00:59:47,650 --> 00:59:43,940
that are coming up in the field you know

1404
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:47,660
Micah Hanks for instance you know there

1405
00:59:51,790 --> 00:59:49,310
are a few John Greenwald and his work of

1406
00:59:54,970 --> 00:59:51,800
course at the black vault I have a

1407
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,980
couple of you know very interesting

1408
00:59:59,020 --> 00:59:56,240
younger people that are interested in

1409
01:00:01,240 --> 00:59:59,030
the San Luis Valley work and live in the

1410
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:01,250
valley area that I think have real

1411
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:05,090
potential so you know I don't know how

1412
01:00:08,770 --> 01:00:06,770
many times I've said this on the program

1413
01:00:11,380 --> 01:00:08,780
but you go to your you know your old

1414
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:11,390
school average UFO conference in the

1415
01:00:16,510 --> 01:00:13,760
average age is somewhere around 70 so I

1416
01:00:18,790 --> 01:00:16,520
think the Mack Tony's of the world are

1417
01:00:20,740 --> 01:00:18,800
out there I think there's other young

1418
01:00:22,330 --> 01:00:20,750
young people that want to get involved I

1419
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:22,340
think that they need some motivation

1420
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:25,010
they need some guidance some mentoring

1421
01:00:29,380 --> 01:00:28,130
and you know I encourage any of our

1422
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:29,390
younger listeners out there who are

1423
01:00:32,830 --> 01:00:31,250
interested in this field and want to get

1424
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:32,840
involved roller sleeves up and really

1425
01:00:37,390 --> 01:00:35,090
dive in that there are people out there

1426
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:37,400
that can help rosemary guiley is an

1427
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:40,850
incredibly professional experienced and

1428
01:00:46,780 --> 01:00:43,490
gifted in field investigator I was just

1429
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:46,790
dazzled by her bedside manner how she

1430
01:00:49,810 --> 01:00:48,650
dealt with people going through very

1431
01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:49,820
traumatic

1432
01:00:56,349 --> 01:00:53,750
in some cases experiences she just has a

1433
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,359
very easy manner about her and she I'm

1434
01:01:00,040 --> 01:00:58,400
sure she works great with these groups

1435
01:01:01,810 --> 01:01:00,050
that she's involved with out in the

1436
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:01,820
field doing haunted side investigations

1437
01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:04,160
for instance so there are some

1438
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:06,500
open-minded investigators out there who

1439
01:01:11,710 --> 01:01:08,890
are not in this just solely for their

1440
01:01:14,020 --> 01:01:11,720
egos and self aggrandizement who are

1441
01:01:16,330 --> 01:01:14,030
willing to share their experience share

1442
01:01:19,210 --> 01:01:16,340
their their talents and and and their

1443
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:19,220
insights with you know motivated younger

1444
01:01:24,690 --> 01:01:21,290
people and this is really important and

1445
01:01:28,690 --> 01:01:24,700
I think having Joshua Warren rather on

1446
01:01:31,660 --> 01:01:28,700
in his importance guide to the

1447
01:01:33,730 --> 01:01:31,670
paranormal or I forget the actual title

1448
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:33,740
of the book but this is this is a kind

1449
01:01:39,340 --> 01:01:36,770
of resource that an up-and-coming

1450
01:01:41,110 --> 01:01:39,350
investigator really could use and in

1451
01:01:43,660 --> 01:01:41,120
do applaud anyone out there who's been

1452
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:43,670
in this field for as long as myself and

1453
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:45,770
others to take some of these younger

1454
01:01:50,380 --> 01:01:47,330
folks under their wings and then really

1455
01:01:52,660 --> 01:01:50,390
help help educate them train them and

1456
01:01:55,150 --> 01:01:52,670
get them in a place where they can take

1457
01:01:57,730 --> 01:01:55,160
the ball and continue you know advancing

1458
01:01:59,350 --> 01:01:57,740
it down the field as it were I kind of

1459
01:02:01,780 --> 01:01:59,360
hope in the UFO field they don't just

1460
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:01,790
recover the old ground you know we went

1461
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:05,770
through the transition et the paranormal

1462
01:02:10,330 --> 01:02:08,210
crypto terrestrial result for

1463
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:10,340
terrestrials all that stuff and then new

1464
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:11,810
people get into the field and what do

1465
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:14,690
they do they start from scratch they go

1466
01:02:18,250 --> 01:02:16,160
back and cover the ground we covered in

1467
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:18,260
the 50s and that sometimes is very

1468
01:02:22,420 --> 01:02:20,330
unfortunate now when we get into the

1469
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:22,430
next segment I think it's a good time we

1470
01:02:26,260 --> 01:02:24,050
start focusing on questions from our

1471
01:02:28,270 --> 01:02:26,270
listeners I think Chris has answered

1472
01:02:30,070 --> 01:02:28,280
some of them already but there are loads

1473
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:30,080
of questions possibly to fill a lot of

1474
01:02:35,290 --> 01:02:31,520
the remainder of the episode we'll see

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01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:35,300
this is the shoptalk session of the para

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cast we should do more of them with Jean

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cast com that's formed up our cast com

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01:08:02,650 --> 01:08:00,380
asked our listeners to ask anything

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01:08:04,990 --> 01:08:02,660
without restriction which can get us in

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01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:05,000
trouble so Chris I'm gonna ask some

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01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:07,370
questions which I will answer and then

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01:08:10,690 --> 01:08:09,290
you can answer and maybe if you want you

1618
01:08:13,290 --> 01:08:10,700
can ask a few questions but you usually

1619
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:13,300
do that so I'll take the roll okay from

1620
01:08:17,020 --> 01:08:15,530
Angelo who's one of our moderators in

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01:08:19,270 --> 01:08:17,030
the forums and he tends to take a

1622
01:08:22,270 --> 01:08:19,280
skeptical point of view here so here's

1623
01:08:24,820 --> 01:08:22,280
what he asks he has five questions okay

1624
01:08:27,190 --> 01:08:24,830
who has been your favorite guest or

1625
01:08:29,380 --> 01:08:27,200
guests since Chris became co-host and

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01:08:31,690 --> 01:08:29,390
you know what Chris I'll ask that

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:31,700
question of you boy that's a tough one

1628
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:33,290
but we've had so many good ones of

1629
01:08:37,690 --> 01:08:34,850
course it was just an honor and a

1630
01:08:40,150 --> 01:08:37,700
pleasure to have a chance to to talk to

1631
01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:40,160
speak with dr. Jacques filet of course

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01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:41,990
Jerry Clark the Bose the episode I think

1633
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:45,040
was fascinating we've had so many gene

1634
01:08:50,530 --> 01:08:47,570
that's one thing about the para cast as

1635
01:08:53,260 --> 01:08:50,540
we do tend to bring out the the more of

1636
01:08:55,180 --> 01:08:53,270
the a-list sort of thinkers and I think

1637
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:55,190
we have some of the one of the best

1638
01:08:59,290 --> 01:08:57,290
archives out there for a show of this

1639
01:09:02,360 --> 01:08:59,300
type so you know they've all been good I

1640
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:02,370
enjoyed the

1641
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:07,210
that was before I was on board but I was

1642
01:09:11,670 --> 01:09:09,759
one of my first co-hosting jobs I kind

1643
01:09:13,050 --> 01:09:11,680
of got a chuckle out of that one now

1644
01:09:14,370 --> 01:09:13,060
here's a couple of interesting episodes

1645
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:14,380
that occurred I think you might

1646
01:09:18,749 --> 01:09:17,410
appreciate and mention and of course

1647
01:09:21,690 --> 01:09:18,759
there was the one we have of Leslie Kane

1648
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:21,700
this was just about the week in 2010

1649
01:09:25,170 --> 01:09:23,920
when she came out with that UFO book you

1650
01:09:26,099 --> 01:09:25,180
know I thought it was very fascinating

1651
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,109
we had a lot of fun

1652
01:09:31,229 --> 01:09:28,000
James carry on it was interesting

1653
01:09:35,340 --> 01:09:31,239
because you know I said after he was

1654
01:09:37,289 --> 01:09:35,350
basically almost accusing you fun not

1655
01:09:39,900 --> 01:09:37,299
just accusing but stating outright they

1656
01:09:42,660 --> 01:09:39,910
were dishonest I said okay are you a

1657
01:09:45,209 --> 01:09:42,670
disinformation agent and James carry on

1658
01:09:47,340 --> 01:09:45,219
promptly after that show put me on his

1659
01:09:48,599 --> 01:09:47,350
blacklist his email blacklist which

1660
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:48,609
means whenever I write to him it's

1661
01:09:53,309 --> 01:09:51,040
bounced so that was a disappointment

1662
01:09:55,290 --> 01:09:53,319
former governor Jesse Ventura was

1663
01:09:57,570 --> 01:09:55,300
fascinating because he seems like the

1664
01:09:58,979 --> 01:09:57,580
kind of temperamental guy if you ask him

1665
01:10:01,740 --> 01:09:58,989
the wrong question the wrong way he'll

1666
01:10:04,620 --> 01:10:01,750
disappear but he loved his time with the

1667
01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:04,630
para cast and the 30-second close where

1668
01:10:07,979 --> 01:10:07,300
he just couldn't say anything better

1669
01:10:10,290 --> 01:10:07,989
about us

1670
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:10,300
it was just extolling our virtues it's

1671
01:10:14,220 --> 01:10:12,010
almost a commercial a 30-second

1672
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:14,230
commercial for the para cast and listen

1673
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:15,910
to that final portion of the episode

1674
01:10:19,770 --> 01:10:18,370
with governor Ventura that was good yeah

1675
01:10:21,060 --> 01:10:19,780
Jesse was good that we've just had so

1676
01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:21,070
many guests gosh I'm up to what about

1677
01:10:25,140 --> 01:10:23,260
almost 60 shows no I think he's

1678
01:10:29,670 --> 01:10:25,150
certainly got a gold watch I said that

1679
01:10:32,610 --> 01:10:29,680
before the episode with who was our

1680
01:10:34,890 --> 01:10:32,620
Dulce guy Oh what the heck was his name

1681
01:10:37,650 --> 01:10:34,900
the guy I met an angel fire and talked

1682
01:10:39,810 --> 01:10:37,660
about the colonel ax and I found it

1683
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:39,820
amusing because it's interesting to see

1684
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:42,370
the enthusiasm of somebody fairly new to

1685
01:10:46,010 --> 01:10:44,290
the field getting involved and possibly

1686
01:10:50,370 --> 01:10:46,020
getting in a little bit over their heads

1687
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,380
way over his head I mean he came out

1688
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,000
with a book and the guy we're talking

1689
01:10:56,010 --> 01:10:54,400
about is Anthony Sanchez there we go

1690
01:10:59,040 --> 01:10:56,020
and it's the episode of October 10th

1691
01:11:00,780 --> 01:10:59,050
2010 so if you haven't heard it you may

1692
01:11:03,870 --> 01:11:00,790
want to download this episode because

1693
01:11:07,140 --> 01:11:03,880
this is where we pointed out that his

1694
01:11:08,850 --> 01:11:07,150
research wasn't very inclusive they kind

1695
01:11:11,220 --> 01:11:08,860
of accepted things because they were in

1696
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:11,230
print which was also very unfortunate

1697
01:11:14,430 --> 01:11:14,050
but the worst is within two days after

1698
01:11:17,610 --> 01:11:14,440
that

1699
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:17,620
is broadcast he quits the field because

1700
01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:20,050
of a personal problem and then a few

1701
01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:22,420
days later he comes back he publishes an

1702
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:25,150
e version of his book but guess what he

1703
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:26,890
still doesn't give us access so we've

1704
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:29,170
never read the book wait and we won't

1705
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:30,970
because he won't give us access right

1706
01:11:37,370 --> 01:11:34,000
well among the disappointments any other

1707
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:37,380
big disappointments you think well yeah

1708
01:11:40,620 --> 01:11:39,850
Richard Souder I think he was a

1709
01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:40,630
disappointment

1710
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:44,230
you know in light of the the time frame

1711
01:11:50,190 --> 01:11:46,930
at 3:00 in the morning and you know some

1712
01:11:51,690 --> 01:11:50,200
real personal drama and trauma that he's

1713
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:51,700
been going through over the past year uh

1714
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,090
I was a little dismayed at the the last

1715
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,520
half of the show but I still stand by my

1716
01:12:01,050 --> 01:11:59,440
contention at which it solder is one of

1717
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:01,060
our top experts when it comes to

1718
01:12:06,270 --> 01:12:04,450
government's role in the building and

1719
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:06,280
maintaining of secret underground

1720
01:12:11,190 --> 01:12:09,910
facilities I think no one has even come

1721
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:11,200
close to doing the amount of research

1722
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:12,730
and quality of research that he's done

1723
01:12:15,810 --> 01:12:14,650
so you can say what you want about the

1724
01:12:17,790 --> 01:12:15,820
man but you can't take that away from

1725
01:12:19,170 --> 01:12:17,800
him his book underground bases and

1726
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:19,180
tunnels what does the government trying

1727
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:21,040
to hide is the seminal work on the

1728
01:12:24,330 --> 01:12:23,410
subject so it was a little bit of a

1729
01:12:27,210 --> 01:12:24,340
disappointment

1730
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:27,220
you know I guess a cellphone too close

1731
01:12:34,590 --> 01:12:30,370
to his computer or the ecuadorian

1732
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:34,600
mosquitoes whatever yeah he's kind of an

1733
01:12:40,050 --> 01:12:37,810
irascible guy he's a very thin-skinned

1734
01:12:42,090 --> 01:12:40,060
and very touchy and it's unfortunate but

1735
01:12:44,820 --> 01:12:42,100
you know it was 3:00 in the morning

1736
01:12:47,190 --> 01:12:44,830
and I wish him all the best anything I

1737
01:12:49,230 --> 01:12:47,200
can do to help him in his research I'd

1738
01:12:50,610 --> 01:12:49,240
be more than happy to volunteer and you

1739
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:50,620
know if I can do something I'd be more

1740
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:52,650
than willing to help him I do still have

1741
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:55,840
admiration and respect for his body work

1742
01:12:59,970 --> 01:12:57,850
all right this question number two from

1743
01:13:02,460 --> 01:12:59,980
Angela points to you I think have you

1744
01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:02,470
been surprised by any of the discussions

1745
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:04,510
you've seen in the forum the reason I

1746
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:05,920
appointed to you is because I'll give

1747
01:13:10,460 --> 01:13:08,050
the quick answer no because I've been

1748
01:13:14,460 --> 01:13:10,470
doing forum stuff since the 1980s and

1749
01:13:17,490 --> 01:13:14,470
nothing anywhere surprises me what about

1750
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:17,500
you yeah I agree but what was the one

1751
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:21,310
thread about the the blonde woman what

1752
01:13:24,930 --> 01:13:23,170
was she saying something about I don't

1753
01:13:26,570 --> 01:13:24,940
know the aliens are coming or something

1754
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:26,580
and then somebody discovered

1755
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:28,410
some footage of her pole dancing or

1756
01:13:33,470 --> 01:13:31,410
something that would kind of surprised

1757
01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:33,480
me a little bit just because somebody's

1758
01:13:37,340 --> 01:13:35,340
pole dancing doesn't mean they don't

1759
01:13:40,090 --> 01:13:37,350
well no it was the response from that

1760
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:40,100
from the some of our forum posts right

1761
01:13:44,900 --> 01:13:42,690
we have some pretty funny people you

1762
01:13:47,570 --> 01:13:44,910
know I I'm not surprised at all at how

1763
01:13:50,690 --> 01:13:47,580
the forum evolves and and kind of has a

1764
01:13:52,910 --> 01:13:50,700
life of its own I try to stay out of the

1765
01:13:54,740 --> 01:13:52,920
fray as much as possible but being a

1766
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:54,750
moderator I do get pulled into certain

1767
01:14:00,920 --> 01:13:57,840
you know possible contentious you know

1768
01:14:06,020 --> 01:14:00,930
adversarial situations and I'm really

1769
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,030
trying to temper my own personal you

1770
01:14:09,740 --> 01:14:07,920
know role in in the forum as much as

1771
01:14:13,670 --> 01:14:09,750
possible and and try to be as objective

1772
01:14:15,860 --> 01:14:13,680
and as fair as possible you know I think

1773
01:14:18,380 --> 01:14:15,870
I think we do have one of the best forms

1774
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:18,390
out there and I applaud everybody that

1775
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:19,890
takes the time to read through these

1776
01:14:26,180 --> 01:14:23,130
threads and to do very good research I'm

1777
01:14:28,490 --> 01:14:26,190
I'm constantly just amazed and gratified

1778
01:14:32,690 --> 01:14:28,500
at the amount of work that some of our

1779
01:14:34,730 --> 01:14:32,700
posters undergo to come up with some

1780
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:34,740
good research to you know to back up

1781
01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:37,290
their particular points of view or to

1782
01:14:42,170 --> 01:14:39,420
refute somebody else's point of view and

1783
01:14:44,450 --> 01:14:42,180
it is a real lively debate I think

1784
01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:44,460
Angelo one of our moderators who's

1785
01:14:48,380 --> 01:14:46,920
actually asking these questions I think

1786
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:48,390
he brought up a very good point recently

1787
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:52,110
that that we're really not gonna change

1788
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:55,170
each other's minds but the best we can

1789
01:14:58,880 --> 01:14:55,760
hope for

1790
01:15:00,650 --> 01:14:58,890
you know skeptics to true believers and

1791
01:15:03,020 --> 01:15:00,660
everything in between the best we can

1792
01:15:06,590 --> 01:15:03,030
hope for is just to validate our own

1793
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:06,600
thinking through good objective fact in

1794
01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:09,330
data and research and at least present

1795
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:11,310
our positions I don't think anybody

1796
01:15:13,940 --> 01:15:12,450
thinks we're gonna change somebody

1797
01:15:16,430 --> 01:15:13,950
else's minds sometimes it appears that

1798
01:15:18,980 --> 01:15:16,440
way but but I think good lively debate

1799
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:18,990
and keeping an open mind and being

1800
01:15:24,140 --> 01:15:22,290
objective are really key ingredients we

1801
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:24,150
do have some posters that doesn't matter

1802
01:15:28,010 --> 01:15:25,890
what you say or how you say it they are

1803
01:15:30,050 --> 01:15:28,020
going to disagree with you and and some

1804
01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:30,060
of those posters you feel like you want

1805
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:32,790
to just slap them in the face or in the

1806
01:15:37,610 --> 01:15:34,800
head as a result before we slap anybody

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01:15:39,870 --> 01:15:37,620
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shop Talk episode the para cast

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[Music]

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is 70 author of us on the street and

1909
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you're listening to the podcast well we

1910
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just made it the sponsors didn't slap us

1911
01:20:16,530 --> 01:20:14,200
oh good

1912
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:16,540
it came close to my gold and my silver

1913
01:20:22,170 --> 01:20:20,320
and my oxidized water and and get all my

1914
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:22,180
survival supplies ready so all those

1915
01:20:28,020 --> 01:20:25,930
Europeans when hell breaks loose they'll

1916
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:28,030
come over here and knock on my door okay

1917
01:20:32,610 --> 01:20:30,130
the title was Jean and Chris talk shop

1918
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:32,620
and Angelo has another question number

1919
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:33,040
three

1920
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:36,130
Chris how is the SLV setup going you've

1921
01:20:39,210 --> 01:20:38,170
not discussed it much so I'm hoping

1922
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:39,220
you'll take a few minutes of this

1923
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:41,410
episode to discuss it so we discussed

1924
01:20:48,150 --> 01:20:45,370
briefly your trip to Colorado and

1925
01:20:50,250 --> 01:20:48,160
everything well yeah we we had many

1926
01:20:51,870 --> 01:20:50,260
birds with one stone on that one I had

1927
01:20:53,790 --> 01:20:51,880
about four different hats on one of the

1928
01:20:56,670 --> 01:20:53,800
hats that I had on going up there was my

1929
01:20:59,280 --> 01:20:56,680
sob camera project hat we've you know

1930
01:21:01,920 --> 01:20:59,290
we've taken a kind of a right turn here

1931
01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:01,930
we're starting to realize that the Sony

1932
01:21:09,660 --> 01:21:06,450
Vaio's camera setup is not robust enough

1933
01:21:11,850 --> 01:21:09,670
unfortunately for the really rigorous

1934
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:11,860
environmental conditions are in the San

1935
01:21:17,210 --> 01:21:14,560
Luis Valley and we did trash one of our

1936
01:21:20,730 --> 01:21:17,220
cameras so what we've done is we've

1937
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:20,740
reassessed our equipment needs and we're

1938
01:21:26,910 --> 01:21:24,370
gonna go with another specialized

1939
01:21:29,660 --> 01:21:26,920
security camera a company called axis

1940
01:21:34,590 --> 01:21:29,670
and they have much more robust equipment

1941
01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:34,600
that's pretty much a warranty down to 45

1942
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:36,820
I think below zero the other camera

1943
01:21:41,310 --> 01:21:38,650
system the Sony is I think only good

1944
01:21:43,470 --> 01:21:41,320
down to 20 below and we surpassed that

1945
01:21:45,660 --> 01:21:43,480
by about 50 degrees last winter so oh

1946
01:21:49,020 --> 01:21:45,670
boy well course Sony is better at making

1947
01:21:52,230 --> 01:21:49,030
TV sets right right well it's the optics

1948
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:52,240
are very good the access optics are not

1949
01:21:56,340 --> 01:21:54,010
much better they they are a little bit

1950
01:21:59,490 --> 01:21:56,350
better it's a high-def camera setup it's

1951
01:22:03,390 --> 01:21:59,500
not a standard def number one so we've

1952
01:22:05,810 --> 01:22:03,400
we've got the added amount of pixels it

1953
01:22:08,359 --> 01:22:05,820
is an h.264 codec cameras

1954
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:08,369
that is a real positive but that's

1955
01:22:14,330 --> 01:22:10,170
gentleman by the way is an industry

1956
01:22:16,339 --> 01:22:14,340
standard digital movie compression

1957
01:22:18,379 --> 01:22:16,349
giving you very high quality images so a

1958
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:18,389
lot of the stuff you see now is H dot

1959
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:22,320
264 right so an interesting development

1960
01:22:27,709 --> 01:22:24,960
that has occurred is a local radio

1961
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:27,719
station is very interested in in

1962
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:29,730
becoming part of the project there

1963
01:22:35,060 --> 01:22:32,010
they're being required by the by the

1964
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:35,070
government I think the FCC to increase

1965
01:22:38,660 --> 01:22:36,719
the height of their tower because

1966
01:22:40,300 --> 01:22:38,670
they're transmitting is such a it's such

1967
01:22:43,359 --> 01:22:40,310
a power level and they're actually

1968
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:43,369
radiating the ground there there's a

1969
01:22:47,209 --> 01:22:45,810
significant you know potential harm that

1970
01:22:49,010 --> 01:22:47,219
could be done to people standing under

1971
01:22:51,979 --> 01:22:49,020
the tower which is only about 75 feet

1972
01:22:54,580 --> 01:22:51,989
tall it's on the top of a 12,000 foot

1973
01:22:57,410 --> 01:22:54,590
Mountain this would be my number one

1974
01:22:59,149 --> 01:22:57,420
most important I think location out of

1975
01:23:01,520 --> 01:22:59,159
the seven locations that we planned out

1976
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:01,530
and this is on top of a very very

1977
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:03,810
sizable mountain in the middle of the

1978
01:23:08,750 --> 01:23:06,719
valley area they're in and what they've

1979
01:23:10,609 --> 01:23:08,760
been asked to do by the government is

1980
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:10,619
and they've been helped with some grant

1981
01:23:14,990 --> 01:23:12,449
money and other things is to double the

1982
01:23:17,899 --> 01:23:15,000
height of their tower to about 150 feet

1983
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:17,909
so to have a state of the art access

1984
01:23:23,089 --> 01:23:20,400
camera on top of 150 foot tower on top

1985
01:23:24,620 --> 01:23:23,099
of a 12,000 foot mountain that one

1986
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:24,630
camera location will give us

1987
01:23:29,780 --> 01:23:26,159
line-of-sight from Albuquerque to

1988
01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:29,790
Leadville so we're talking about a 340

1989
01:23:36,319 --> 01:23:34,110
350 mile you know the field of view if

1990
01:23:38,689 --> 01:23:36,329
you will also if they'd carry the para

1991
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:38,699
cast with LUT oh yeah that'd be great

1992
01:23:42,050 --> 01:23:40,650
let's talk to them about that in fact if

1993
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:42,060
you're going to help them why'd you say

1994
01:23:45,109 --> 01:23:44,730
look you got carried the show there you

1995
01:23:46,729 --> 01:23:45,119
go

1996
01:23:49,399 --> 01:23:46,739
okay so we'll look forward to further

1997
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:49,409
word about that question number four we

1998
01:23:53,899 --> 01:23:51,449
already talked to our a Stanford so

1999
01:23:56,270 --> 01:23:53,909
we'll leave at number five I guess this

2000
01:23:59,479 --> 01:23:56,280
goes to everything that happens in the

2001
01:24:02,240 --> 01:23:59,489
paranormal field from day one why is

2002
01:24:04,879 --> 01:24:02,250
there so much infighting in paranormal

2003
01:24:07,689 --> 01:24:04,889
circles well I guess whenever you put

2004
01:24:11,810 --> 01:24:07,699
two people in the room you can have a

2005
01:24:12,290 --> 01:24:11,820
controversy a debate a conspiracy there

2006
01:24:14,270 --> 01:24:12,300
you go

2007
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:14,280
well I think it boils down to ego and

2008
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:16,770
wanting to to be right and convince

2009
01:24:20,490 --> 01:24:17,650
other people

2010
01:24:22,670 --> 01:24:20,500
they're wrong a lot of people in this

2011
01:24:26,420 --> 01:24:22,680
field have invested in particular

2012
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:26,430
theories you know lines of reasoning

2013
01:24:32,130 --> 01:24:30,850
sort of personal preferences in terms of

2014
01:24:34,260 --> 01:24:32,140
what to believe what not to believe what

2015
01:24:38,250 --> 01:24:34,270
to go after and look for data for it to

2016
01:24:40,590 --> 01:24:38,260
bolster your own view and I think a lot

2017
01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:40,600
of the infighting has to do with

2018
01:24:45,140 --> 01:24:42,910
posturing and people wanting to be right

2019
01:24:48,930 --> 01:24:45,150
and other people wanting to be wrong

2020
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:48,940
it's unfortunate I come from the Rodney

2021
01:24:53,340 --> 01:24:51,370
King can't we all just get along school

2022
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:53,350
I think that everybody should be working

2023
01:24:58,170 --> 01:24:55,330
pulling pulling on the oars in the same

2024
01:24:59,700 --> 01:24:58,180
direction just because we don't agree

2025
01:25:02,940 --> 01:24:59,710
doesn't mean that we can't agree to

2026
01:25:05,730 --> 01:25:02,950
disagree and and work together I think

2027
01:25:08,370 --> 01:25:05,740
that that only with a concerted you know

2028
01:25:10,650 --> 01:25:08,380
sense of team effort are we gonna ever

2029
01:25:12,570 --> 01:25:10,660
pull this field forward I think you know

2030
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:12,580
all the fractious infighting is one of

2031
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:14,530
the the major stumbling blocks for

2032
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:17,650
gaining mainstream acceptance which is

2033
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:20,410
his is slowly coming I think but if

2034
01:25:25,410 --> 01:25:22,290
there wasn't so much contentious

2035
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:25,420
backbiting and backstabbing in the field

2036
01:25:30,810 --> 01:25:27,760
you know there are people that there

2037
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:30,820
will you know totally milk you dry for

2038
01:25:36,330 --> 01:25:33,610
your data except you know all your work

2039
01:25:38,490 --> 01:25:36,340
and all your efforts and then as soon as

2040
01:25:40,710 --> 01:25:38,500
you are viewed as like a threat to their

2041
01:25:42,630 --> 01:25:40,720
personal career and then they dump you

2042
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:42,640
like a discarded Kleenex and then turn

2043
01:25:45,930 --> 01:25:43,930
around stab me in the back and try and

2044
01:25:47,970 --> 01:25:45,940
try to try to ruin your name and

2045
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:47,980
reputation in the field I don't have

2046
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:49,600
time for that and I don't think anybody

2047
01:25:54,570 --> 01:25:51,730
in this field has time for that and so

2048
01:25:58,110 --> 01:25:54,580
some of these personalities in the field

2049
01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:58,120
that I could point to but won't they

2050
01:26:03,090 --> 01:26:01,600
need to really you know stand in front

2051
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:03,100
of the mirror and look at yourself and

2052
01:26:07,500 --> 01:26:05,290
and realize that we're all in this

2053
01:26:09,870 --> 01:26:07,510
together that no one single person can

2054
01:26:12,150 --> 01:26:09,880
solve any of these mysteries it's only

2055
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:12,160
through a concerted team effort in a a

2056
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:13,840
sense of camaraderie and working

2057
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:15,310
together that we're ever gonna move the

2058
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:17,890
ball down the field I think a lot of

2059
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:19,450
times people try to embroil the power

2060
01:26:23,370 --> 01:26:21,250
cast in some of these controversies I

2061
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:23,380
know I see blogs from some people

2062
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:25,690
attacking us for one reason or another

2063
01:26:31,020 --> 01:26:28,810
and on a rare occasion I've responded

2064
01:26:33,390 --> 01:26:31,030
but just in a very limited way be

2065
01:26:34,830 --> 01:26:33,400
because it's unproductive because a lot

2066
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:34,840
of the times what they're saying doesn't

2067
01:26:37,709 --> 01:26:36,610
have any relationship to the truth you

2068
01:26:39,390 --> 01:26:37,719
know it's like the forms we're talking

2069
01:26:41,399 --> 01:26:39,400
about the forms and the activities there

2070
01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:41,409
and we have situations there where

2071
01:26:46,109 --> 01:26:43,510
people leave the forms because we

2072
01:26:49,410 --> 01:26:46,119
wouldn't let them abuse the privilege

2073
01:26:52,140 --> 01:26:49,420
what I mean by that is these forums are

2074
01:26:54,569 --> 01:26:52,150
open in the sense of they're available

2075
01:26:57,109 --> 01:26:54,579
to the public available to anybody to

2076
01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:57,119
join if you adhere to a Terms of Service

2077
01:27:02,279 --> 01:27:00,400
what we mean by terms of service is lay

2078
01:27:03,870 --> 01:27:02,289
low on the personal attacks sometimes

2079
01:27:06,299 --> 01:27:03,880
the language gets a little bit out of

2080
01:27:09,060 --> 01:27:06,309
shape but we understand that we are as

2081
01:27:09,959 --> 01:27:09,070
they say benevolent dictators Chris

2082
01:27:14,209 --> 01:27:09,969
myself

2083
01:27:18,839 --> 01:27:14,219
Ron Collins Don Ecker Angelo of course

2084
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:18,849
the key is if they become excessive what

2085
01:27:22,830 --> 01:27:22,090
they do abusing other members abusing

2086
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:22,840
other people

2087
01:27:29,310 --> 01:27:25,690
defamation we're going to say stop it

2088
01:27:31,649 --> 01:27:29,320
we're going to bar them but that's true

2089
01:27:33,209 --> 01:27:31,659
with any forum because remember it's

2090
01:27:34,500 --> 01:27:33,219
still private company that runs it you

2091
01:27:36,899 --> 01:27:34,510
know this is not the government running

2092
01:27:38,970 --> 01:27:36,909
a public forum this is a private company

2093
01:27:41,129 --> 01:27:38,980
a company that puts on the show the

2094
01:27:42,899 --> 01:27:41,139
power cast and we have the right to do

2095
01:27:44,819 --> 01:27:42,909
anything we want in our forms we've

2096
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:44,829
decided to be benevolent dictators in

2097
01:27:48,839 --> 01:27:46,090
the sense that we let people have their

2098
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:48,849
say about anything under the Sun as soon

2099
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:50,800
as they get a little bit overboard we

2100
01:27:56,279 --> 01:27:54,250
say stop and that's where you go I think

2101
01:27:58,669 --> 01:27:56,289
you do better than a lot some places you

2102
01:28:01,950 --> 01:27:58,679
know but he gets to be pretty unbridled

2103
01:28:04,890 --> 01:28:01,960
and any controls and I think that's

2104
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,900
wrong I think you have to sometimes yeah

2105
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:06,400
and there's other sites that if you

2106
01:28:09,930 --> 01:28:08,320
don't adhere to the site's particular

2107
01:28:15,089 --> 01:28:09,940
point of view then you're the enemy and

2108
01:28:17,279 --> 01:28:15,099
boom you're gone so we're cute we have

2109
01:28:19,859 --> 01:28:17,289
some real creative flamers to that just

2110
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:19,869
skirt that line of personal attack and

2111
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,210
and we have some real creative flavors

2112
01:28:28,140 --> 01:28:24,400
here and and I get a chuckle sometimes

2113
01:28:30,209 --> 01:28:28,150
reading some of the comebacks yeah I've

2114
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:30,219
kind of thrown a few in there myself

2115
01:28:36,810 --> 01:28:33,610
from time to time and but I haven't been

2116
01:28:40,980 --> 01:28:36,820
like a previous host of the show who has

2117
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:40,990
felt the necessity to ban himself

2118
01:28:46,260 --> 01:28:44,530
I haven't gotten that bad yet so we

2119
01:28:48,270 --> 01:28:46,270
don't mind getting to that but it's sure

2120
01:28:49,980 --> 01:28:48,280
we have a someone who used to work with

2121
01:28:53,940 --> 01:28:49,990
the show who has told us in no uncertain

2122
01:28:56,820 --> 01:28:53,950
terms he will not allow his name to be

2123
01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:56,830
mentioned on the show I'm the threat of

2124
01:28:59,000 --> 01:28:58,330
physical violence I won't mention who

2125
01:29:01,920 --> 01:28:59,010
that is

2126
01:29:05,730 --> 01:29:01,930
isn't that weird but seriously speaking

2127
01:29:06,570 --> 01:29:05,740
that person banned himself from the

2128
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:06,580
power cast

2129
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:08,650
I've never banned myself I've felt the

2130
01:29:13,470 --> 01:29:11,650
need sometimes to maybe consider banning

2131
01:29:16,740 --> 01:29:13,480
other people but I tend to be you know a

2132
01:29:17,850 --> 01:29:16,750
little bit too gentle about the process

2133
01:29:19,740 --> 01:29:17,860
because then they come back say you

2134
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:19,750
banned me I'll be a good boy or a good

2135
01:29:25,470 --> 01:29:22,090
girl and I say you know what come on

2136
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:25,480
back you know I'll be forgiving you're a

2137
01:29:32,460 --> 01:29:29,410
big softie Jean come on nobody believes

2138
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:32,470
that you can believe that this is the

2139
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:34,960
Jean and Kris talk shop show Jean

2140
01:29:46,100 --> 01:29:37,330
Steinberg and Chris O'Brien you're in

2141
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:49,060
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going to happen next boy this is moving

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second hour of the show answering your

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questions Jean and Kris talking shop

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about anything and everything under the

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Sun it doesn't have to be at the

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paranormal and we're still getting

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through the questions we've barely

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covered more than a few questions and

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I'm going to get to another one here in

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the power cast this is from hot soup ok

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I don't know if it's chicken soup or

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matzo ball soup but we'll have to ask

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hot soup about hot soup I am compelled

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to bring up my curiosity about the one

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paranormal story one of you would never

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share on the radio I recall a few

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episodes where one of you I forget which

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say you will never talk about it

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disclosure I don't know what that person

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means we talk about it all the time it's

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interesting comment again I tell you the

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whole John Alexander episode was

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basically built around the whole idea of

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disclosure and of course his book UFOs

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miss realities and conspiracies I think

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was the name of it that was also one of

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my favorite episodes too by the way I

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found that very very revealing

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I'm also Grant Cameron episode the

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presidential UFO episode 1 a lot of that

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I'm not sure yeah I don't think you've

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ever said that I don't think I have I

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just I look at disclosure as being a

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pipe dream I mean you know I have a

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sense that the government I think

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monolithically is more confused about

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all this stuff than we are so how can

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they disclose that they're confused and

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not in control it just it doesn't it's

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doesn't make sense to me

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what will the population think if the

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government admits hey we have things

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going on around us we have no defense

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against them we can't control it do you

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want to do that to the population you'll

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cause panic in the streets let's move to

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another question which is part 2 here

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from hot soup I don't know if it's

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chicken or mishima soup hot soup is

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really mishmash soup well that is as you

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mix the kreplach which is kind of like

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Jewish wontons matzo balls chicken

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noodles carrots mish-mosh soup it's

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great if you can find it anyway in a

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seldom I'll tell you has the power cast

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ever thought of setting up their own

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loose network of paranormal researchers

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taking the experiments evidence and

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track

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of the UFO remaining phenomenon into

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your own hands

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you know personally I don't think we

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have the resources for that that would

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be nice yeah I mean you know if we had a

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benefactor I'm serious for a moment if

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we had you know and not a Robert Bigelow

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not somebody who wants controls over the

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system and I wouldn't you know I guess

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we'd be tempted if a Robert Bigelow

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comes to the power cast and says okay

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here's a million dollars do something

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indulge yourself you know we'd have to

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think carefully about it instead you

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know we just struggle along and all that

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kind of thing trying to pay the bills

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but I think if somebody out there kind

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of a modern-day Laurance Rockefeller

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came to us and said here is the funding

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for that to cover the company's

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operations setting up a network of

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researchers hang them to do research I'd

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love to see it happen but the management

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would be a bear wouldn't it well it'd be

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the human resources department that

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would have the real problems you know in

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answer to the question that's kind of

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what I've been doing

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I've been networking and offering my

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help and and requesting the help of

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other fellow researchers and

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investigators for years you know I've

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pretty much met quite a number of the

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people that you could call field

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investigators out there that you know

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have published and and I think that

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again getting back to the idea of

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teamwork I think it's a great idea it

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would you know if we had the resources

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and we had the time to devote to a

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program like that you know I get Leslie

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Kane involved for instance so she you

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know I think she'd love to do that I

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think it would be a great idea and I'd

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love to set up monitoring stations and

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some of the known areas of high

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incidents around the world the areas

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that tend to have more predictable

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activity than other areas or even the

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possibility of predictive activity I

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think it would be great to monitor these

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areas 24/7 with every tool you know in

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our toolbox and sure you know gosh man

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somebody out there

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Mark Zuckerberg or or you know you can

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name the number of these Oh Steve Jobs

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Steve Ballmer even I wouldn't begrudge

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Microsoft Bill Gates yeah well what the

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heck you know let's

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let's get some of these fat cat guys

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looking not only at health issues like

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Bill Gates and his foundation and

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education but but look at it expanding

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human awareness about the very reality

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that we all Co inhabit I think it's

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important this could be you know

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potentially one of the most important

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issues ever facing humanity we need to

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get off this planet before we get hit by

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an asteroid and the Sun goes Nova we

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have an evolutionary imperative to get

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out and see the universe we have to

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understand what is interacting with us

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here in this particular closed system

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before we ever hope to do that so it's

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so kind of a walk before you run

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scenario in my book and with Obama now

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you know canceling manned space flights

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for the foreseeable future you know we

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need to really work together as a team

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and get the funding to do do it right

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okay seriously I want to say this

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seriously

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if anyone out there has the funding nose

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of someone who might be able to do it

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contact us news at the Peres cast comm

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I'm very serious about this no joke news

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of the power cast calm if you want to

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help fund research from the activities

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become an investor you know this is of

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course not one of those regulatory

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agreements of people sign or you know

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we're not stating anything in terms of

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promises this is not a public offering

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or anything it's kind of an informal

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thing if anyone wants to help write us

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news at the para cast comm and let's see

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where it takes us it may take us nowhere

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you know I think it's a pipe dream let's

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go on to some more questions here from

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Hellfire

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that's the username okay totally out of

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left field what's your favorite movies

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of all time let me give you mine The Day

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the Earth Stood Still the original with

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Michael Rennie not the one with Keanu

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01:40:24,419 --> 01:40:22,059
Reeves which I thought was perfectly

2407
01:40:26,939 --> 01:40:24,429
awful the original one I think was a

2408
01:40:28,770 --> 01:40:26,949
wonderful movie which also influenced a

2409
01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:28,780
lot of the UFO contactee claims of that

2410
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:32,110
year the silvery suited alien with a

2411
01:40:36,750 --> 01:40:35,650
message of peace be peaceful or suffer

2412
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:36,760
the consequences

2413
01:40:43,939 --> 01:40:39,730
fill the UFO contactee lore from then on

2414
01:40:46,350 --> 01:40:43,949
the original Forbidden Planet okay with

2415
01:40:46,890 --> 01:40:46,360
Leslie Nielsen before he became a

2416
01:40:48,060 --> 01:40:46,900
comedian

2417
01:40:50,220 --> 01:40:48,070
the

2418
01:40:52,770 --> 01:40:50,230
Captain Kirk you know if you think of

2419
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:52,780
the characters in the movie Forbidden

2420
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:55,090
Planet and now you know it's got a lot

2421
01:40:59,640 --> 01:40:58,000
about 50 sensibility about it the

2422
01:41:02,220 --> 01:40:59,650
special effects were decent one of the

2423
01:41:05,490 --> 01:41:02,230
few motion picture companies to put big

2424
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:05,500
special effects budget into a movie kind

2425
01:41:10,830 --> 01:41:07,840
of an a kind of movie instead of the B

2426
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:10,840
movies I thought was a great movie also

2427
01:41:18,290 --> 01:41:14,410
I think despite all the flaws about it

2428
01:41:20,730 --> 01:41:18,300
the original Star Wars set a trend in

2429
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:20,740
terms of movies on TV of course Star

2430
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:22,570
Trek made you want to thank Chris what

2431
01:41:30,180 --> 01:41:25,450
about you well I'm not really a movie

2432
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:30,190
buff I'm more of a film buff but but

2433
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:32,410
that being said I tend to explain the

2434
01:41:37,500 --> 01:41:35,770
distinction movies are for mindless

2435
01:41:38,250 --> 01:41:37,510
entertainment for a couple hours or an

2436
01:41:41,490 --> 01:41:38,260
hour and a half

2437
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:41,500
films films in my kind of personal

2438
01:41:49,020 --> 01:41:45,210
definition challenge you to think about

2439
01:41:51,870 --> 01:41:49,030
life in a new revealing sort of way that

2440
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:51,880
you're given stimulus to to really

2441
01:41:58,320 --> 01:41:54,010
ponder over what the message of the film

2442
01:42:00,650 --> 01:41:58,330
was and I tend to go with directors of

2443
01:42:05,130 --> 01:42:00,660
course anything that Stanley Kubrick

2444
01:42:07,380 --> 01:42:05,140
produced is way up on my list you know I

2445
01:42:11,570 --> 01:42:07,390
could I could start rallying off names

2446
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:11,580
Clockwork Orange 2001 Full Metal Jacket

2447
01:42:19,140 --> 01:42:16,170
even Eyes Wide Shut scary as it was

2448
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:19,150
frightening in not the horror film

2449
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:21,010
frightening way but in a more of a

2450
01:42:25,650 --> 01:42:24,010
psychologically frightening way the

2451
01:42:29,700 --> 01:42:25,660
original Manchurian Candidate I thought

2452
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:29,710
was was John Frankenheimer that film was

2453
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:33,040
very good if I had to pick a favorite

2454
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:34,960
interesting about that just the this of

2455
01:42:39,870 --> 01:42:37,090
course the not the remake but the

2456
01:42:44,250 --> 01:42:39,880
original film Frank Sinatra and the late

2457
01:42:47,340 --> 01:42:44,260
Hiedi played this Korean psychologists

2458
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:47,350
who hypnotizes the Manchurian Candidate

2459
01:42:53,550 --> 01:42:50,170
Hiedi also played the original woh fat

2460
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:53,560
on the original Hawaii five-o the

2461
01:42:57,420 --> 01:42:54,250
arch-villain

2462
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:57,430
although he was Norwegian actually not

2463
01:43:01,500 --> 01:42:58,960
oriental although he always played

2464
01:43:02,140 --> 01:43:01,510
oriental roles and his paranormal aspect

2465
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:02,150
by the way is

2466
01:43:08,919 --> 01:43:04,610
he was a regular guest on the Long John

2467
01:43:11,950 --> 01:43:08,929
Apple show mm-hmm true it's the idol

2468
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:11,960
definitely a up there on my list of

2469
01:43:15,820 --> 01:43:13,370
course having gone to film school

2470
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:15,830
metropolis I think is one of the classic

2471
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:18,320
silent era films of Fritz Lang

2472
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:21,770
masterpiece Jean Cocteau's Beauty and

2473
01:43:25,959 --> 01:43:22,810
the Beast

2474
01:43:27,910 --> 01:43:25,969
you know I I've just got such a long

2475
01:43:33,370 --> 01:43:27,920
list but if I had to boil it down to a

2476
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:33,380
single favorite movie in the movie sense

2477
01:43:40,330 --> 01:43:36,890
it would be like Raiders of the Lost Ark

2478
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:40,340
maybe or Clockwork Orange

2479
01:43:45,459 --> 01:43:42,370
if you want to go into the film realm I

2480
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:45,469
tend to go with the either super

2481
01:43:50,919 --> 01:43:48,080
over-the-top fun you know in a movie

2482
01:43:53,919 --> 01:43:50,929
style Saturday matinee sort of deal or a

2483
01:43:54,700 --> 01:43:53,929
serious message film like like a

2484
01:43:58,240 --> 01:43:54,710
Clockwork Orange

2485
01:44:00,970 --> 01:43:58,250
of course from the famous Anthony

2486
01:44:02,470 --> 01:44:00,980
Burgess novel I think it was Anthony

2487
01:44:04,060 --> 01:44:02,480
Burgess right I wrote that

2488
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:04,070
it's interesting though a lot of the

2489
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:06,800
things you see in these movies based on

2490
01:44:12,340 --> 01:44:10,250
novels and quite often you know they

2491
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:12,350
take those novels and distort them of

2492
01:44:16,149 --> 01:44:14,210
course I think one movie I have a lot of

2493
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,159
fun with is total recall the original

2494
01:44:20,950 --> 01:44:18,320
there's a remake coming out with Arnold

2495
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:20,960
Schwarzenegger and Sharon Stone based on

2496
01:44:27,070 --> 01:44:23,570
a philip k dick novel right now is very

2497
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:27,080
good we are doing our thing it's the

2498
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:29,690
shoptalk episode of the para cast

2499
01:44:36,290 --> 01:44:32,570
I'm genies Chris O'Brien you're in the

2500
01:44:42,060 --> 01:44:39,259
[Music]

2501
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:42,070
hi Ted Anderson announcing a great way

2502
01:44:46,529 --> 01:44:44,320
to listen to radio on the telephone by

2503
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:46,539
calling seven six oh five six nine

2504
01:44:51,870 --> 01:44:48,610
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2505
01:44:54,149 --> 01:44:51,880
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2506
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2507
01:44:59,459 --> 01:44:56,440
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2508
01:45:02,250 --> 01:44:59,469
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2509
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2510
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2511
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:07,300
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2512
01:45:12,330 --> 01:45:10,239
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2513
01:45:14,009 --> 01:45:12,340
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2514
01:45:15,569 --> 01:45:14,019
bed strips and fibers to protect from

2515
01:45:17,339 --> 01:45:15,579
counterfeit than carding to a private

2516
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:17,349
bank having a led back at interest

2517
01:45:20,969 --> 01:45:19,119
forcing taxes to service debt this

2518
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:20,979
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

2519
01:45:24,060 --> 01:45:22,449
stating a central bank issuing the

2520
01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:24,070
public currency is a greater menace to

2521
01:45:26,969 --> 01:45:25,209
the liberties of the people than a

2522
01:45:28,020 --> 01:45:26,979
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

2523
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:28,030
free silver dollar in a book that

2524
01:45:33,390 --> 01:45:30,130
explains our monetary system call for

2525
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:33,400
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

2526
01:45:39,610 --> 01:45:36,489
understand the system call 866 to 237

2527
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:39,620
that's 800 686 to 237

2528
01:45:46,460 --> 01:45:43,610
[Music]

2529
01:45:49,250 --> 01:45:46,470
welcome back to the pear cast the gold

2530
01:45:57,050 --> 01:45:49,260
standard of paranormal radio and now

2531
01:45:58,700 --> 01:45:57,060
here's Jean Steinberg I didn't think we

2532
01:46:01,670 --> 01:45:58,710
could do three hours of this we just

2533
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:01,680
finished two but this is Jean and Chris

2534
01:46:05,180 --> 01:46:03,690
talk shop episode of the power cast

2535
01:46:06,890 --> 01:46:05,190
right now we're at the point of

2536
01:46:09,290 --> 01:46:06,900
answering your questions the first one

2537
01:46:12,170 --> 01:46:09,300
before the break talking about our

2538
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:12,180
favorite movies and now another question

2539
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:13,290
of significance

2540
01:46:17,030 --> 01:46:14,970
number two you ready for number two

2541
01:46:19,670 --> 01:46:17,040
question number two door number two from

2542
01:46:22,730 --> 01:46:19,680
Hell fire what's your favorite UFO

2543
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:22,740
strange awareness books okay anything of

2544
01:46:27,740 --> 01:46:25,170
the original series of major Donald

2545
01:46:29,510 --> 01:46:27,750
Kehoe because it made me want to think

2546
01:46:32,900 --> 01:46:29,520
about UFOs yep

2547
01:46:35,390 --> 01:46:32,910
UFOs and our haunted planet by John keel

2548
01:46:38,410 --> 01:46:35,400
and also operation Trojan horse that's

2549
01:46:41,420 --> 01:46:38,420
way up on my list way up and of course

2550
01:46:44,450 --> 01:46:41,430
books by Jacques filet dimensions

2551
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:44,460
confrontations passport - magana the

2552
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:46,800
invisible college they're all ex enjoyed

2553
01:46:51,140 --> 01:46:48,690
books from Jerome Clarke by the way

2554
01:46:53,900 --> 01:46:51,150
Jerome Clarke will be back on the para

2555
01:46:55,940 --> 01:46:53,910
cast in a few months he's working on a

2556
01:46:59,000 --> 01:46:55,950
major revision for one of his classic

2557
01:47:01,310 --> 01:46:59,010
books when that's done he'll be back

2558
01:47:03,140 --> 01:47:01,320
alright there you go that's always a

2559
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:03,150
pleasure let's go to another question

2560
01:47:06,350 --> 01:47:04,770
here well this I think we answered

2561
01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:06,360
already who has been the most

2562
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:07,920
frustrating guests you have ever

2563
01:47:12,830 --> 01:47:09,810
interviewed on the power cast well I

2564
01:47:16,460 --> 01:47:12,840
think we've kind of gone there certainly

2565
01:47:19,490 --> 01:47:16,470
in the early years of the para cast we

2566
01:47:22,460 --> 01:47:19,500
had that arch-criminal what else can say

2567
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:22,470
about him Bill Nell and within an hour

2568
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:24,170
he hung up on us

2569
01:47:28,970 --> 01:47:26,850
yes I think that was frustrating Eric

2570
01:47:31,820 --> 01:47:28,980
Julian you know one of these aliens

2571
01:47:34,460 --> 01:47:31,830
science kind of guys very very

2572
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:34,470
frustrating guest no Richard solder was

2573
01:47:39,100 --> 01:47:36,810
a little frustrating - yes he was I

2574
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:39,110
think so in the same ballpark there

2575
01:47:44,180 --> 01:47:42,090
frustrating David Sarita very fellow boy

2576
01:47:46,850 --> 01:47:44,190
Oh guys I'm glad it wasn't you know in

2577
01:47:48,350 --> 01:47:46,860
that one right and he'll never be on

2578
01:47:53,570 --> 01:47:48,360
again speaking of guests who probably

2579
01:47:56,060 --> 01:47:53,580
never be on okay we got a mailing from a

2580
01:47:56,540 --> 01:47:56,070
publisher two copies of the book from

2581
01:47:57,710 --> 01:47:56,550
Whitley

2582
01:48:00,740 --> 01:47:57,720
streep her new book from whitley

2583
01:48:02,210 --> 01:48:00,750
strieber and over the years we've tried

2584
01:48:05,090 --> 01:48:02,220
to get him on the show he says yes i'll

2585
01:48:07,970 --> 01:48:05,100
come and then ansari burr his wife says

2586
01:48:10,370 --> 01:48:07,980
no he can't so we actually booked him on

2587
01:48:12,260 --> 01:48:10,380
the show through the publicist from his

2588
01:48:15,530 --> 01:48:12,270
book publisher whitley writes back and

2589
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:15,540
says no why because we've attacked him

2590
01:48:20,090 --> 01:48:17,250
in the forums i haven't attacked him

2591
01:48:21,500 --> 01:48:20,100
chris but i haven't attacked him no but

2592
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:21,510
alright some people have been critical

2593
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:24,330
so in exchange for that we had a couple

2594
01:48:29,150 --> 01:48:26,370
of email exchanges that got increasingly

2595
01:48:31,670 --> 01:48:29,160
shall we say incendiary especially on

2596
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:31,680
his part i posted something in the forum

2597
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:34,410
that will make him never I explained why

2598
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:35,850
he's not going to be on the show and

2599
01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:39,210
then included a cartoon of a chicken you

2600
01:48:44,180 --> 01:48:42,000
know well the line that he put in there

2601
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:44,190
you should reread Matthew three verse

2602
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:46,800
six or whatever which is the famous line

2603
01:48:52,580 --> 01:48:49,650
about casting pearls before swine I took

2604
01:48:54,590 --> 01:48:52,590
that as a fence I think we have if not

2605
01:48:57,530 --> 01:48:54,600
the best group of up to speed

2606
01:49:00,220 --> 01:48:57,540
objective listeners of any show of this

2607
01:49:03,410 --> 01:49:00,230
type but our forum posters I think are

2608
01:49:07,130 --> 01:49:03,420
just dazzling I learned so much reading

2609
01:49:09,770 --> 01:49:07,140
these threads and to say something is so

2610
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:09,780
disingenuous like that and the insult

2611
01:49:13,910 --> 01:49:11,730
our wonderful up-to-speed

2612
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:13,920
listenership and readership I thought

2613
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:16,080
was just that was over the top and and I

2614
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:19,610
really had to answer back very very

2615
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:23,040
pointedly to that particular comment

2616
01:49:28,250 --> 01:49:26,400
that he made unfortunately some of these

2617
01:49:30,710 --> 01:49:28,260
a list personalities if you don't buy

2618
01:49:33,950 --> 01:49:30,720
into their whole shtick then you're the

2619
01:49:37,550 --> 01:49:33,960
enemy and unfortunately I think Whitley

2620
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:37,560
is is he's gun-shy he knows that we will

2621
01:49:44,030 --> 01:49:40,410
ask the tough questions we will get to

2622
01:49:46,660 --> 01:49:44,040
the bottom of you know his story is as

2623
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:46,670
much as we possibly can and and we won't

2624
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:50,250
we won't soft-shoe the whole thing you

2625
01:49:54,470 --> 01:49:51,840
know I think everybody who's on the show

2626
01:49:58,520 --> 01:49:54,480
for the most part attempts to answer as

2627
01:50:01,370 --> 01:49:58,530
honestly and as you know as directly as

2628
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:01,380
possible and I don't think he can you

2629
01:50:05,090 --> 01:50:02,880
know he's not gonna be able to stand the

2630
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:05,100
heat in the kitchen and I think he knows

2631
01:50:08,570 --> 01:50:06,810
that well I guess if you make a public

2632
01:50:09,310 --> 01:50:08,580
appearance you ought to be prepared for

2633
01:50:12,100 --> 01:50:09,320
that but

2634
01:50:16,810 --> 01:50:12,110
I'm not gonna say anymore okay from

2635
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:16,820
double-knot spy and his signature says

2636
01:50:20,530 --> 01:50:19,280
may I please go back to the zoo now it

2637
01:50:22,750 --> 01:50:20,540
has a picture of a monkey or something

2638
01:50:24,850 --> 01:50:22,760
in there but seriously the typewriter

2639
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:24,860
that's the typewriter okay here we go

2640
01:50:29,229 --> 01:50:27,440
glad to hear about this episode I second

2641
01:50:31,419 --> 01:50:29,239
the request for an update on the SLV

2642
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:31,429
monitoring project we did that already

2643
01:50:36,879 --> 01:50:34,159
actually I'd like to hear Chris spend 10

2644
01:50:40,540 --> 01:50:36,889
or 20 minutes talking about how Sedona

2645
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:40,550
compares to the SLV what things are not

2646
01:50:45,189 --> 01:50:43,040
to be missed on a visit to Sedona and

2647
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:45,199
whatever other recent adventures he

2648
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:46,489
wants to talk about we kind of covered

2649
01:50:50,890 --> 01:50:49,130
most of this but Sedona so anything to

2650
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:50,900
say about Sedona before we go to the

2651
01:50:55,209 --> 01:50:51,440
next question

2652
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:55,219
well Sedona has slowly over the years

2653
01:51:00,280 --> 01:50:56,960
gained the reputation of being the

2654
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:00,290
metaphysical capital of the u.s. some

2655
01:51:06,010 --> 01:51:02,449
people would say the world when I moved

2656
01:51:07,390 --> 01:51:06,020
to Arizona back in 2004 I told my

2657
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:07,400
girlfriend I would be willing to check

2658
01:51:13,089 --> 01:51:10,010
out Arizona but any place but Sedona and

2659
01:51:16,140 --> 01:51:13,099
of course as fate would have it I ended

2660
01:51:18,970 --> 01:51:16,150
up in Sedona actually paul davids was my

2661
01:51:21,490 --> 01:51:18,980
my landlord I was in one of Paul's

2662
01:51:24,250 --> 01:51:21,500
rental properties for a couple a couple

2663
01:51:27,339 --> 01:51:24,260
three years and really enjoyed it there

2664
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:27,349
but you know the whole concept of

2665
01:51:33,129 --> 01:51:30,050
spiritual elitism and my spirit guide is

2666
01:51:34,689 --> 01:51:33,139
better than yours and you know getting

2667
01:51:37,089 --> 01:51:34,699
really proficient and being able to

2668
01:51:40,330 --> 01:51:37,099
count people's nose hairs around the

2669
01:51:43,149 --> 01:51:40,340
Sedona area it was uncomfortable for me

2670
01:51:46,750 --> 01:51:43,159
and I slowly found myself moving further

2671
01:51:48,490 --> 01:51:46,760
and further away from the center and now

2672
01:51:51,250 --> 01:51:48,500
I'm about 20 miles down the hill from

2673
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:51,260
Sedona Sedona is a very beautiful place

2674
01:51:56,530 --> 01:51:53,810
it has a lot of very magical qualities

2675
01:51:59,080 --> 01:51:56,540
to it I'm using that word loosely it's

2676
01:52:01,120 --> 01:51:59,090
one of the most beautiful spots in

2677
01:52:02,770 --> 01:52:01,130
America if not one of the most beautiful

2678
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:02,780
spots in the planets jaw-droppingly

2679
01:52:07,180 --> 01:52:04,610
gorgeous but you know the amount of

2680
01:52:11,169 --> 01:52:07,190
new-age commercialism kind of makes me

2681
01:52:13,060 --> 01:52:11,179
squirm there's a lot of wannabe psychics

2682
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:13,070
and Chandler's and healers there are

2683
01:52:18,950 --> 01:52:15,290
some very good ones but you know you got

2684
01:52:20,690 --> 01:52:18,960
a weed through the chafed and separate

2685
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:20,700
no from the noise in that particular

2686
01:52:26,660 --> 01:52:22,530
realm and and it does have some

2687
01:52:29,450 --> 01:52:26,670
drawbacks there is a lack of a sense of

2688
01:52:31,130 --> 01:52:29,460
real community here well you wouldn't

2689
01:52:33,380 --> 01:52:31,140
think that in a place that touts itself

2690
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:33,390
is being so enlightened but you know it

2691
01:52:37,580 --> 01:52:35,730
like any place you're gonna find issues

2692
01:52:39,890 --> 01:52:37,590
that need to be addressed I think in the

2693
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:39,900
community and I just prefer not to

2694
01:52:45,410 --> 01:52:42,810
engage and in the ungrounded style of

2695
01:52:47,180 --> 01:52:45,420
thinking that Sedona is famous for and I

2696
01:52:50,270 --> 01:52:47,190
think it's great for a person like a

2697
01:52:53,209 --> 01:52:50,280
David Sirota or some of the other people

2698
01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:53,219
that have relocated here fairly recently

2699
01:52:59,740 --> 01:52:57,090
over the last few years it's wonderful

2700
01:53:04,390 --> 01:52:59,750
for them I think it really really

2701
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:04,400
empowers them and it keeps them

2702
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:08,370
pontificating and you know what to each

2703
01:53:13,010 --> 01:53:08,850
their own

2704
01:53:17,979 --> 01:53:13,020
I just find it a little bit artificial

2705
01:53:24,890 --> 01:53:20,840
about another channel are coming to town

2706
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:24,900
well you know what I'm gonna scream the

2707
01:53:30,830 --> 01:53:27,810
channeler of the week show yeah

2708
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:30,840
zishe formerly known as Robert Shapiro

2709
01:53:37,970 --> 01:53:34,880
now known as well just fill in the blank

2710
01:53:39,979 --> 01:53:37,980
what Robert Shapiro was one of the first

2711
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:39,989
real major Chandler's here back in the

2712
01:53:45,110 --> 01:53:42,960
late 80s early 90s not related to the

2713
01:53:47,570 --> 01:53:45,120
famous lawyer of the same name who

2714
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:47,580
started legalzoom.com

2715
01:53:52,910 --> 01:53:50,370
no no no this is Robert Shapiro from the

2716
01:53:55,580 --> 01:53:52,920
sedona emergence light technologies

2717
01:53:57,110 --> 01:53:55,590
group all right that's good to know

2718
01:53:58,520 --> 01:53:57,120
we're not good to know depending on your

2719
01:54:01,850 --> 01:53:58,530
point of view or let's move on with

2720
01:54:03,530 --> 01:54:01,860
questions here from pixel Smith and he's

2721
01:54:06,140 --> 01:54:03,540
one of the guys who tends to have very

2722
01:54:08,180 --> 01:54:06,150
contrary views and that's why he's

2723
01:54:10,010 --> 01:54:08,190
asking this question and we'll start

2724
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:10,020
here and persist with us in our next

2725
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:12,330
segment have you changed your mind one

2726
01:54:17,420 --> 01:54:14,730
way or another about any conspiracies

2727
01:54:19,580 --> 01:54:17,430
over the years well of course the most

2728
01:54:22,190 --> 01:54:19,590
famous conspiracy of all when I was a

2729
01:54:24,370 --> 01:54:22,200
kid I took the story that Lee Harvey

2730
01:54:26,930 --> 01:54:24,380
Oswald killed President Kennedy

2731
01:54:29,090 --> 01:54:26,940
seriously I then went to a lecture

2732
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:29,100
featuring a former New York State

2733
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:31,810
Legislature Mark Lane

2734
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:33,010
and became convinced there was a

2735
01:54:37,740 --> 01:54:35,170
conspiracy that hasn't changed since

2736
01:54:40,740 --> 01:54:37,750
then what about you what did you believe

2737
01:54:44,370 --> 01:54:40,750
or disbelieve and what changed you know

2738
01:54:47,460 --> 01:54:44,380
I really haven't I have a sense about

2739
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:47,470
these things that I I rely on and then I

2740
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:50,170
do as much research as I can and have

2741
01:54:55,170 --> 01:54:52,930
time for to to find out if my hunch is

2742
01:54:58,170 --> 01:54:55,180
correct generally I think it's it's

2743
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:58,180
fairly right on but you know a lot of

2744
01:55:01,680 --> 01:54:59,920
these things will never be solved so

2745
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:01,690
there's there's no way to really know I

2746
01:55:06,150 --> 01:55:04,210
haven't really changed my opinion I

2747
01:55:07,770 --> 01:55:06,160
think if anything my opinions have

2748
01:55:12,630 --> 01:55:07,780
become more entrenched and more

2749
01:55:13,980 --> 01:55:12,640
solidified and in in terms of the second

2750
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:13,990
question has anyone have been

2751
01:55:17,340 --> 01:55:15,730
responsible for you changing your views

2752
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:17,350
on a conspiracy theory or a paranormal

2753
01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:19,810
event I mentioned Ray Stanford kind of

2754
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:21,970
just nudging me back towards the center

2755
01:55:26,700 --> 01:55:24,610
a smidge I'll tell you what we've got to

2756
01:55:28,980 --> 01:55:26,710
a smidge of race Stanford another

2757
01:55:31,020 --> 01:55:28,990
subject soon Jeanne and Chris talk shop

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01:55:36,010 --> 01:55:31,030
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02:00:25,950 --> 02:00:23,440
cast and we were focusing on a question

2856
02:00:27,570 --> 02:00:25,960
from pixel Smith who calls himself the

2857
02:00:29,070 --> 02:00:27,580
paranormal master because it's one of

2858
02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:29,080
the titles we confer on people who post

2859
02:00:34,020 --> 02:00:31,360
a lot in the forums at forum podcast

2860
02:00:36,510 --> 02:00:34,030
calm and you mentioned race Stanford

2861
02:00:38,670 --> 02:00:36,520
that he had nudged you back towards the

2862
02:00:40,980 --> 02:00:38,680
ETH a little bit with the slightly foes

2863
02:00:44,130 --> 02:00:40,990
okay but in terms of an actual theory or

2864
02:00:45,870 --> 02:00:44,140
a single paranormal event you know not

2865
02:00:49,530 --> 02:00:45,880
really again I kind of stand by my

2866
02:00:53,550 --> 02:00:49,540
previous answer I don't tend to go with

2867
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:53,560
others opinions I go with a consolation

2868
02:00:58,260 --> 02:00:56,650
of research and in my own investigative

2869
02:01:02,070 --> 02:00:58,270
process to really make up my mind about

2870
02:01:04,500 --> 02:01:02,080
these things I'm generally not that not

2871
02:01:06,990 --> 02:01:04,510
that malleable when it comes to people

2872
02:01:08,970 --> 02:01:07,000
you know really impacting my thinking

2873
02:01:11,130 --> 02:01:08,980
there are a few exceptions David Perkins

2874
02:01:13,860 --> 02:01:11,140
my mentor is well written the foreword

2875
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:13,870
to you know for my published books he's

2876
02:01:19,590 --> 02:01:17,610
someone that very early on supported my

2877
02:01:21,810 --> 02:01:19,600
suspicion that we were dealing with

2878
02:01:23,820 --> 02:01:21,820
closed system phenomena not something

2879
02:01:26,370 --> 02:01:23,830
off planet like I initially believed

2880
02:01:30,660 --> 02:01:26,380
when I got involved in this field in the

2881
02:01:32,190 --> 02:01:30,670
late 80s early 90s I quickly realized

2882
02:01:34,740 --> 02:01:32,200
that that you know and it just couldn't

2883
02:01:37,290 --> 02:01:34,750
possibly be a one-size-fits-all answer

2884
02:01:40,430 --> 02:01:37,300
and David was very instrumental in

2885
02:01:42,300 --> 02:01:40,440
supplying me with with books and

2886
02:01:44,670 --> 02:01:42,310
introducing me to writers and

2887
02:01:47,100 --> 02:01:44,680
researchers who take more of an out of a

2888
02:01:49,050 --> 02:01:47,110
box out of the box approach to these

2889
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:49,060
subjects so he was instrumental in

2890
02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:52,330
helping me mold my own thinking but in

2891
02:01:56,430 --> 02:01:54,730
answer to a pixel Smith's third question

2892
02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:56,440
have either of you ever had the urge to

2893
02:01:58,850 --> 02:01:58,090
slap the crap out of me

2894
02:02:04,790 --> 02:01:58,860
okay picks

2895
02:02:07,700 --> 02:02:04,800
Smith here we go yeah funny guy

2896
02:02:11,120 --> 02:02:07,710
actually no I think you're a constant

2897
02:02:13,609 --> 02:02:11,130
source of amusement I I love your the

2898
02:02:16,879 --> 02:02:13,619
way you are so passionate about the way

2899
02:02:19,430 --> 02:02:16,889
you present your particular unique style

2900
02:02:22,040 --> 02:02:19,440
of thinking and and and keep it up I

2901
02:02:26,060 --> 02:02:22,050
enjoy reading your posts okay so we have

2902
02:02:28,939 --> 02:02:26,070
a question from JT whose subtitle hers

2903
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:28,949
username is maybe logic or maybe not

2904
02:02:34,310 --> 02:02:32,010
right JT okay first question here why do

2905
02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:34,320
so many ufologists either lose their

2906
02:02:39,950 --> 02:02:37,170
perspective or lose their minds I think

2907
02:02:42,410 --> 02:02:39,960
the first answer would be well you

2908
02:02:44,750 --> 02:02:42,420
become wedded to a theory very early on

2909
02:02:47,149 --> 02:02:44,760
and I'll cite major Donald Kehoe as an

2910
02:02:49,970 --> 02:02:47,159
example who came to believe that UFOs

2911
02:02:53,090 --> 02:02:49,980
were spaceships and that was it for him

2912
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:53,100
he came to that viewpoint within a year

2913
02:02:57,260 --> 02:02:55,170
or two after starting to follow the

2914
02:02:58,729 --> 02:02:57,270
phenomenon and he didn't think of

2915
02:03:02,149 --> 02:02:58,739
anything else I think to some degree

2916
02:03:04,850 --> 02:03:02,159
maybe Stanton Friedman has maybe lost

2917
02:03:06,590 --> 02:03:04,860
his perspective as a result I think he

2918
02:03:09,169 --> 02:03:06,600
might be a little bit too wedded for

2919
02:03:11,209 --> 02:03:09,179
example to the mj-12 documents so those

2920
02:03:12,890 --> 02:03:11,219
are examples although I respect Stan I

2921
02:03:14,720 --> 02:03:12,900
certainly respect the late major Keyhoe

2922
02:03:16,490 --> 02:03:14,730
I met him a few times seemed like a

2923
02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:16,500
really nice guy with a lot of

2924
02:03:22,609 --> 02:03:18,810
fascinating information to present you

2925
02:03:24,410 --> 02:03:22,619
Chris what do you think well I agree you

2926
02:03:27,229 --> 02:03:24,420
know I think perspective is something

2927
02:03:29,540 --> 02:03:27,239
that sometimes you don't realize that

2928
02:03:31,010 --> 02:03:29,550
you've lost it until others have to

2929
02:03:33,709 --> 02:03:31,020
suggest to you that maybe you should

2930
02:03:36,500 --> 02:03:33,719
look at that that maybe you're you're

2931
02:03:41,570 --> 02:03:36,510
becoming a little bit biased in in your

2932
02:03:43,399 --> 02:03:41,580
perspective I think the more people who

2933
02:03:46,250 --> 02:03:43,409
publish in our public in this field the

2934
02:03:47,990 --> 02:03:46,260
more they they tout particular theories

2935
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:48,000
the more they become tied to them and

2936
02:03:53,000 --> 02:03:50,850
and they have to continue supporting it

2937
02:03:54,649 --> 02:03:53,010
or admit they're wrong and Stan of

2938
02:03:57,080 --> 02:03:54,659
course in the mj-12 documents would be a

2939
02:03:58,939 --> 02:03:57,090
classic example of that sure there may

2940
02:04:01,760 --> 02:03:58,949
be some truth in those documents but

2941
02:04:04,550 --> 02:04:01,770
they're not I don't think we can't

2942
02:04:08,120 --> 02:04:04,560
accept them at face value and I think he

2943
02:04:10,280 --> 02:04:08,130
is so in in invested in this whole

2944
02:04:12,419 --> 02:04:10,290
scenario that it's virtually impossible

2945
02:04:15,390 --> 02:04:12,429
for him to

2946
02:04:17,729 --> 02:04:15,400
to come out and say anything you know

2947
02:04:21,029 --> 02:04:17,739
contrary to what he's already said in

2948
02:04:24,109 --> 02:04:21,039
terms of losing their minds I think

2949
02:04:27,239 --> 02:04:24,119
based on my own personal experience I

2950
02:04:29,489 --> 02:04:27,249
haven't really known too many ufologists

2951
02:04:33,779 --> 02:04:29,499
who have lost their minds

2952
02:04:35,969 --> 02:04:33,789
I suspect that a few have but I don't

2953
02:04:37,830 --> 02:04:35,979
know for certain one person that's

2954
02:04:39,989 --> 02:04:37,840
always puzzled me as Tom Adams who was

2955
02:04:42,209 --> 02:04:39,999
very instrumental in my early

2956
02:04:44,370 --> 02:04:42,219
investigative process he supplied me

2957
02:04:46,589 --> 02:04:44,380
with boxes and boxes of hard copies of

2958
02:04:48,540 --> 02:04:46,599
San Luis Valley related materials which

2959
02:04:50,669 --> 02:04:48,550
are still to this day invaluable to me

2960
02:04:52,859 --> 02:04:50,679
but all of a sudden about 10 years ago

2961
02:04:56,879 --> 02:04:52,869
he literally fell off the map he

2962
02:04:59,759 --> 02:04:56,889
disappeared even his best friends were

2963
02:05:02,520 --> 02:04:59,769
unable to get him to respond and get in

2964
02:05:04,770 --> 02:05:02,530
contact he's still out there he may have

2965
02:05:07,350 --> 02:05:04,780
found the Lord or something there's some

2966
02:05:09,660 --> 02:05:07,360
question that maybe he's this is one

2967
02:05:11,790 --> 02:05:09,670
theory that's out there that he either a

2968
02:05:14,489 --> 02:05:11,800
got so paranoid about some of the things

2969
02:05:16,589 --> 02:05:14,499
he was uncovering and and and just burn

2970
02:05:19,290 --> 02:05:16,599
out or be he had some sort of

2971
02:05:22,679 --> 02:05:19,300
life-altering religious experience or or

2972
02:05:26,310 --> 02:05:22,689
something uh I think this subject matter

2973
02:05:29,390 --> 02:05:26,320
is is volatile and if there's any sort

2974
02:05:31,949 --> 02:05:29,400
of twitchiness in a particular person

2975
02:05:34,830 --> 02:05:31,959
that's going to be magnified it's like

2976
02:05:37,939 --> 02:05:34,840
like putting gasoline on a fire and I

2977
02:05:40,399 --> 02:05:37,949
think if you have a wobble in your

2978
02:05:43,979 --> 02:05:40,409
groundedness that it's going to be

2979
02:05:48,029 --> 02:05:43,989
seriously exacerbated and you're going

2980
02:05:52,379 --> 02:05:48,039
to run into some real serious issues

2981
02:05:54,390 --> 02:05:52,389
about paranoia is a main one people get

2982
02:05:56,250 --> 02:05:54,400
all nervous they think people are out to

2983
02:05:58,620 --> 02:05:56,260
get them they think that their

2984
02:06:01,169 --> 02:05:58,630
information is so earth-shattering that

2985
02:06:03,350 --> 02:06:01,179
that their personal safety may be in

2986
02:06:06,509 --> 02:06:03,360
danger I think that that's one of the

2987
02:06:09,149 --> 02:06:06,519
hallmarks for somebody a whose loss or

2988
02:06:11,699 --> 02:06:09,159
perspective and B needs to take a break

2989
02:06:13,469 --> 02:06:11,709
and that's why you'll notice that

2990
02:06:15,509 --> 02:06:13,479
certain people do drop out of the field

2991
02:06:19,140 --> 02:06:15,519
for a while I know gene you did for a

2992
02:06:21,569 --> 02:06:19,150
while I did and got into other realms of

2993
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:21,579
the paranormal besides ufology in the

2994
02:06:25,010 --> 02:06:22,770
dead cattle

2995
02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:25,020
and you need to take a break you need to

2996
02:06:30,620 --> 02:06:28,770
get reground in revitalized and regain a

2997
02:06:34,010 --> 02:06:30,630
sense of objectivity and perspective I

2998
02:06:36,050 --> 02:06:34,020
think more people should probably take a

2999
02:06:38,510 --> 02:06:36,060
little break from the work from time to

3000
02:06:39,980 --> 02:06:38,520
time than do so get a rest your ladies

3001
02:06:41,930 --> 02:06:39,990
and gentlemen let's get part to the

3002
02:06:44,420 --> 02:06:41,940
question do you have any thoughts on the

3003
02:06:47,260 --> 02:06:44,430
value of the mystery itself I'm thinking

3004
02:06:50,300 --> 02:06:47,270
in terms of sense of wonder of

3005
02:06:51,980 --> 02:06:50,310
imagination and curiosity regardless of

3006
02:06:54,260 --> 02:06:51,990
the answers do we need the answers

3007
02:06:57,770 --> 02:06:54,270
wouldn't any answer you find only make

3008
02:06:59,810 --> 02:06:57,780
sense one of those crazy people make you

3009
02:07:02,240 --> 02:06:59,820
one of those crazy people who think they

3010
02:07:05,450 --> 02:07:02,250
found an answer as opposed to the answer

3011
02:07:07,160 --> 02:07:05,460
but then the question I'd ask JT is how

3012
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:07,170
do you know when you think you found

3013
02:07:10,850 --> 02:07:08,970
answer it is the answer

3014
02:07:12,770 --> 02:07:10,860
well you don't it's not a lust for

3015
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:12,780
result it drives me I can only really

3016
02:07:17,540 --> 02:07:15,090
speak personally about about this

3017
02:07:21,310 --> 02:07:17,550
particular aspect of the of the work and

3018
02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:21,320
I just find it incredibly stimulating

3019
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:24,480
intellectually and even spiritually I

3020
02:07:28,100 --> 02:07:26,010
think these questions that we're

3021
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:28,110
pondering on the pair of casts some of

3022
02:07:31,670 --> 02:07:29,610
them more important than others but I

3023
02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:31,680
think by and large the whole idea of

3024
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:34,650
contact with a nonhuman intelligence is

3025
02:07:40,070 --> 02:07:38,010
one of the most important subjects in

3026
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:40,080
scenarios that humankind could ever face

3027
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:43,050
at least up till this point and that's

3028
02:07:47,870 --> 02:07:45,450
an incredibly stimulating to someone

3029
02:07:50,690 --> 02:07:47,880
who's eternally curious like I am I will

3030
02:07:54,710 --> 02:07:50,700
never lose my sense of curiosity if I do

3031
02:07:56,810 --> 02:07:54,720
pixal Smith JT gene hot soup any of you

3032
02:07:57,950 --> 02:07:56,820
guys Lance you guys have the permission

3033
02:08:01,340 --> 02:07:57,960
to spank me good

3034
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:01,350
excuse me one more time I didn't mean

3035
02:08:05,750 --> 02:08:04,170
right now girl sure okay thank you might

3036
02:08:08,690 --> 02:08:05,760
as well be spanked on the air let's let

3037
02:08:12,170 --> 02:08:08,700
it all hang out I have another what

3038
02:08:13,550 --> 02:08:12,180
thank you sir may I have another there

3039
02:08:15,950 --> 02:08:13,560
you go now you know the truth about

3040
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:15,960
Chris if there is a truth to be found I

3041
02:08:18,410 --> 02:08:17,370
won't tell you my truth because you

3042
02:08:20,660 --> 02:08:18,420
wouldn't believe it

3043
02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:20,670
JT thanks for the question trained

3044
02:08:24,170 --> 02:08:22,530
observer asked us the same question

3045
02:08:25,940 --> 02:08:24,180
about the monitoring project that we

3046
02:08:27,680 --> 02:08:25,950
answered earlier in the episode so we'll

3047
02:08:30,440 --> 02:08:27,690
come on and we'll go on with our

3048
02:08:32,450 --> 02:08:30,450
questions this is the talk shop episode

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02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:32,460
with gene and Chris you're in the para

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3155
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gene and Chris talk shop I'm the para

3156
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cast kind of catching up asking your

3157
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questions figuring out what's going on

3158
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speaking of people who are I think

3159
02:13:20,250 --> 02:13:18,040
seriously hurt by paranormal encounters

3160
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I think any UFO abductee I think

3161
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regardless of the source of that event

3162
02:13:27,990 --> 02:13:25,210
they are being seriously seriously

3163
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injured mentally because of it they have

3164
02:13:31,560 --> 02:13:30,010
to be well I'm dealing with a case right

3165
02:13:34,050 --> 02:13:31,570
now in the valley that features that

3166
02:13:36,810 --> 02:13:34,060
that possibility so in its it's

3167
02:13:39,510 --> 02:13:36,820
dovetailed into some physical health

3168
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issues as well so unfortunately I'm not

3169
02:13:43,380 --> 02:13:41,620
really at liberty to discuss a lot of

3170
02:13:46,350 --> 02:13:43,390
the details of this case right now but

3171
02:13:49,230 --> 02:13:46,360
it's one that rosemary and I looked into

3172
02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:49,240
and it has all the hallmarks of a

3173
02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:51,760
classic contact D slash abduction

3174
02:13:54,540 --> 02:13:53,530
scenario there's I wouldn't even know

3175
02:13:56,550 --> 02:13:54,550
where to begin

3176
02:13:59,550 --> 02:13:56,560
talking about the whole timeline even if

3177
02:14:01,440 --> 02:13:59,560
I could at some point I'm hoping to get

3178
02:14:07,050 --> 02:14:01,450
permission to at least talk about the

3179
02:14:08,490 --> 02:14:07,060
case publicly I have obviously because

3180
02:14:11,970 --> 02:14:08,500
of the principles involved I've

3181
02:14:14,550 --> 02:14:11,980
guaranteed anonymity but I have not

3182
02:14:18,360 --> 02:14:14,560
gotten official permission to talk about

3183
02:14:22,170 --> 02:14:18,370
the case yet I do plan to obtain that at

3184
02:14:24,540 --> 02:14:22,180
some point but I agree 100% Jean people

3185
02:14:26,580 --> 02:14:24,550
do need help in this particular realm

3186
02:14:28,200 --> 02:14:26,590
we're like you said regardless of what

3187
02:14:30,870 --> 02:14:28,210
the causal elements are and who the

3188
02:14:32,790 --> 02:14:30,880
players are behind it people are being

3189
02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:32,800
very adversely affected psychologically

3190
02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:36,490
even physically in terms of health and

3191
02:14:41,910 --> 02:14:40,330
and it is it is a very you know it can

3192
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be very scary for people if they feel

3193
02:14:46,920 --> 02:14:45,130
that they're going through events such

3194
02:14:49,410 --> 02:14:46,930
as the abduction scenario has been

3195
02:14:53,100 --> 02:14:49,420
described and I feel for them I

3196
02:14:55,140 --> 02:14:53,110
oftentimes you know wonder how what

3197
02:14:58,740 --> 02:14:55,150
would be the best way to approach this

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02:15:01,200 --> 02:14:58,750
particular mystery that would learn from

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02:15:02,870 --> 02:15:01,210
the pioneers in this field about Hopkins

3200
02:15:05,120 --> 02:15:02,880
David Jacobs John max

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02:15:07,729 --> 02:15:05,130
Debra Lynn demand John Carpenter and

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02:15:10,850 --> 02:15:07,739
others I think that there's a way that

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we can learn from what's been tried for

3204
02:15:13,939 --> 02:15:12,780
the past twenty twenty-five years and

3205
02:15:16,310 --> 02:15:13,949
then take it forward

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02:15:19,310 --> 02:15:16,320
I think another to the next level this

3207
02:15:21,229 --> 02:15:19,320
is a very difficult subject for people

3208
02:15:25,399 --> 02:15:21,239
to even deal with personally let alone

3209
02:15:28,040 --> 02:15:25,409
ask for help to get through it and and

3210
02:15:29,750 --> 02:15:28,050
sometimes life it comes back to bite you

3211
02:15:32,569 --> 02:15:29,760
we have a situation here with this woman

3212
02:15:34,580 --> 02:15:32,579
named Emma woods went to dr. David

3213
02:15:37,609 --> 02:15:34,590
Jacobs to supposedly seek help with her

3214
02:15:40,939 --> 02:15:37,619
abductions that ended up in to being one

3215
02:15:42,709 --> 02:15:40,949
mess yeah and maybe both to be blamed

3216
02:15:45,049 --> 02:15:42,719
maybe and I've said this to David Jacobs

3217
02:15:46,430 --> 02:15:45,059
privately I'll say it publicly I don't

3218
02:15:47,930 --> 02:15:46,440
think he should have gotten involved I

3219
02:15:51,200 --> 02:15:47,940
think he was in way over his head with

3220
02:15:53,540 --> 02:15:51,210
that situation I think that she also has

3221
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:53,550
serious problems she has to anyone who

3222
02:15:58,370 --> 02:15:55,679
was undergone the experiences she claims

3223
02:16:00,339 --> 02:15:58,380
to have had you can't be normal on the

3224
02:16:03,470 --> 02:16:00,349
other end especially if they're ongoing

3225
02:16:06,140 --> 02:16:03,480
you know that's true and I kind of hope

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02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:06,150
that we'll find better ways to explore

3227
02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:07,679
abduction research this is something

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02:16:11,959 --> 02:16:09,690
that we're going to pursue on future

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episodes of the podcast talk to other

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people who haven't been on the air much

3231
02:16:18,379 --> 02:16:16,230
who are involved in UFO abduction

3232
02:16:20,899 --> 02:16:18,389
research try to figure what's going on

3233
02:16:23,359 --> 02:16:20,909
of course the situation here is a just

3234
02:16:25,399 --> 02:16:23,369
some kind of experiential phenomenon

3235
02:16:26,959 --> 02:16:25,409
which is something that Jerome Clarke

3236
02:16:31,089 --> 02:16:26,969
told us on the power cast when he was on

3237
02:16:34,610 --> 02:16:31,099
last or is it related to ET or the same

3238
02:16:35,389 --> 02:16:34,620
phenomenon how do you know you know it's

3239
02:16:38,299 --> 02:16:35,399
a conundrum

3240
02:16:39,080 --> 02:16:38,309
you weren't abducted were you Chris not

3241
02:16:41,750 --> 02:16:39,090
to my knowledge

3242
02:16:44,030 --> 02:16:41,760
okay I don't remember any abductions I

3243
02:16:46,129 --> 02:16:44,040
do remember this I keep saying it okay

3244
02:16:49,219 --> 02:16:46,139
when I was young I remember some large

3245
02:16:52,549 --> 02:16:49,229
dark thing coming to me in the middle of

3246
02:16:55,339 --> 02:16:52,559
the night and it was a nightmare I wake

3247
02:16:57,980 --> 02:16:55,349
up a recurring nightmare that happened

3248
02:17:01,730 --> 02:16:57,990
why was a young kid maybe 7 8 9 years

3249
02:17:04,459 --> 02:17:01,740
old then it disappeared well I have to

3250
02:17:06,019 --> 02:17:04,469
correct myself I was abducted once she

3251
02:17:06,889 --> 02:17:06,029
was one of the most gorgeous things I'd

3252
02:17:08,060 --> 02:17:06,899
ever seen

3253
02:17:10,430 --> 02:17:08,070
I know matter

3254
02:17:14,150 --> 02:17:10,440
at the Ritz in New York she abducted me

3255
02:17:17,030 --> 02:17:14,160
dragged me home and and she well I was

3256
02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:17,040
abused in a way you want it to be abused

3257
02:17:25,791 --> 02:17:23,370
oh yeah and it never happened again well

3258
02:17:30,820 --> 02:17:25,801
the next time it wasn't it was a Co

3259
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:30,830
mutual abduction we abducted each other

3260
02:17:36,230 --> 02:17:33,840
sometimes I think maybe I'd like to be

3261
02:17:37,970 --> 02:17:36,240
abducted other times no I don't want

3262
02:17:40,310 --> 02:17:37,980
them to come here I would hope that

3263
02:17:42,590 --> 02:17:40,320
whatever experiences I had as a child

3264
02:17:44,900 --> 02:17:42,600
they were only nightmares there was

3265
02:17:45,710 --> 02:17:44,910
nothing else that happened I was not

3266
02:17:48,110 --> 02:17:45,720
abducted

3267
02:17:50,720 --> 02:17:48,120
I do not invite the experience but I

3268
02:17:52,880 --> 02:17:50,730
think where people were abducted a lot

3269
02:18:00,020 --> 02:17:52,890
of times the experience does happen as a

3270
02:18:02,900 --> 02:18:00,030
child no so there you go it portrays

3271
02:18:04,580 --> 02:18:02,910
itself in the common culture you know so

3272
02:18:07,520 --> 02:18:04,590
nowadays we expect that we're going to

3273
02:18:10,130 --> 02:18:07,530
have this experience ET will be involved

3274
02:18:11,930 --> 02:18:10,140
so we think about ETS but isn't that the

3275
02:18:14,740 --> 02:18:11,940
great mystery about the UFO field in

3276
02:18:17,060 --> 02:18:14,750
general which is are we seeing

3277
02:18:19,190 --> 02:18:17,070
spaceships now or what is presumed to be

3278
02:18:23,510 --> 02:18:19,200
spacious because that's our culture

3279
02:18:26,090 --> 02:18:23,520
since world war ii well okay we live in

3280
02:18:27,740 --> 02:18:26,100
the science fiction culture if it was

3281
02:18:30,020 --> 02:18:27,750
something else we'd see them in some

3282
02:18:33,140 --> 02:18:30,030
other way it's not that et came here in

3283
02:18:36,560 --> 02:18:33,150
the 1940s and that's it you know well I

3284
02:18:38,780 --> 02:18:36,570
like terence mckenna's comment that he

3285
02:18:40,610 --> 02:18:38,790
made during one of his many many

3286
02:18:43,820 --> 02:18:40,620
presentations he gave before he died in

3287
02:18:46,610 --> 02:18:43,830
2001 and that is that whatever it is

3288
02:18:49,130 --> 02:18:46,620
it's interacting with us is is trying to

3289
02:18:52,240 --> 02:18:49,140
get us to believe that it's et because

3290
02:18:56,480 --> 02:18:52,250
the truth of it would be so beyond our

3291
02:19:00,080 --> 02:18:56,490
ability to deal with and comprehend that

3292
02:19:02,690 --> 02:19:00,090
the et veneer of some sort of

3293
02:19:06,050 --> 02:19:02,700
extraterrestrial contact is is softening

3294
02:19:09,170 --> 02:19:06,060
the actual mystery and the impact would

3295
02:19:11,270 --> 02:19:09,180
have on us culturally and so so

3296
02:19:14,030 --> 02:19:11,280
basically what he's saying is is or what

3297
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:14,040
he said was it the et scenario is much

3298
02:19:19,459 --> 02:19:16,890
easier for us to to you know to deal

3299
02:19:22,250 --> 02:19:19,469
with you know actually

3300
02:19:25,550 --> 02:19:22,260
compared to what it probably is well he

3301
02:19:28,250 --> 02:19:25,560
said also we can take the contact

3302
02:19:30,860 --> 02:19:28,260
scenario of the book from the late Carl

3303
02:19:32,450 --> 02:19:30,870
Sagan do you think of the movie I didn't

3304
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:32,460
read the book I saw the movie with Jodie

3305
02:19:40,250 --> 02:19:37,290
Foster and that is she meets et I

3306
02:19:42,169 --> 02:19:40,260
suppose an ad comes in the form of her

3307
02:19:44,690 --> 02:19:42,179
late father yeah exactly

3308
02:19:47,959 --> 02:19:44,700
partly because as is expressed to her

3309
02:19:50,390 --> 02:19:47,969
the actual form of et would be so alien

3310
02:19:53,150 --> 02:19:50,400
you couldn't understand it you couldn't

3311
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:53,160
accept it so they come to us in a form

3312
02:19:58,430 --> 02:19:56,010
in which we can accept and possibly our

3313
02:20:00,881 --> 02:19:58,440
own minds judge the form in which we

3314
02:20:05,420 --> 02:20:00,891
perceive them right you know fill in the

3315
02:20:07,730 --> 02:20:05,430
details color tone colorize it and give

3316
02:20:09,470 --> 02:20:07,740
a dimensionality fellow in the blanks

3317
02:20:11,570 --> 02:20:09,480
because we don't know what sort of

3318
02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:11,580
blanks need to be filled and that's the

3319
02:20:17,450 --> 02:20:14,240
big question - if 80 were to come here

3320
02:20:19,011 --> 02:20:17,460
could we accept its reality whatever it

3321
02:20:21,950 --> 02:20:19,021
might be you know we only have our own

3322
02:20:22,670 --> 02:20:21,960
little tiny narrow perception of what

3323
02:20:25,490 --> 02:20:22,680
reality is

3324
02:20:28,131 --> 02:20:25,500
well chides in childhoods end is a

3325
02:20:29,360 --> 02:20:28,141
classic example they park ships of all

3326
02:20:31,970 --> 02:20:29,370
the major cities for an entire

3327
02:20:33,650 --> 02:20:31,980
generation and give us a false sense of

3328
02:20:35,060 --> 02:20:33,660
who these people are and then when the

3329
02:20:37,160 --> 02:20:35,070
truth comes out they look like devils

3330
02:20:39,261 --> 02:20:37,170
with with horns and tails and scales and

3331
02:20:41,450 --> 02:20:39,271
everything and they said well we

3332
02:20:42,381 --> 02:20:41,460
wouldn't we didn't want to show you our

3333
02:20:44,900 --> 02:20:42,391
true

3334
02:20:46,190 --> 02:20:44,910
you know appearance because we would

3335
02:20:47,870 --> 02:20:46,200
have freaked you out too much now you're

3336
02:20:50,810 --> 02:20:47,880
used to us being here it's not as scary

3337
02:20:53,150 --> 02:20:50,820
but they didn't have an evil intent no

3338
02:20:56,780 --> 02:20:53,160
it's not like the movie V which might

3339
02:21:00,290 --> 02:20:56,790
cancel by that the TV show V is come

3340
02:21:03,470 --> 02:21:00,300
back twice miniseries and then a regular

3341
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:03,480
series but in each case a reptilian race

3342
02:21:09,770 --> 02:21:07,050
of aliens comes here they put on a skin

3343
02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:09,780
to look like humans pretend to be here

3344
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for our benefit to be friendly to spread

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the joy they're here to eat us whatever

3346
02:21:21,530 --> 02:21:18,690
I thought the new series V the final

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02:21:25,131 --> 02:21:21,540
episode the season the series finale

3348
02:21:28,070 --> 02:21:25,141
it was perfectly awful oh did you see

3349
02:21:29,550 --> 02:21:28,080
that no I I don't have TV i Hulu stuff

3350
02:21:32,929 --> 02:21:29,560
and as

3351
02:21:36,569 --> 02:21:32,939
okay what happens here is Ana the alien

3352
02:21:42,179 --> 02:21:36,579
reptile conveys this feeling of bliss

3353
02:21:44,429 --> 02:21:42,189
with the half-breed daughter of a woman

3354
02:21:46,500 --> 02:21:44,439
on earth it doesn't make much sense and

3355
02:21:49,139 --> 02:21:46,510
they kill off a few characters

3356
02:21:51,719 --> 02:21:49,149
I guess they pave the way for further

3357
02:21:53,189 --> 02:21:51,729
episodes if there were to be new season

3358
02:21:55,439 --> 02:21:53,199
which is unfortunate with TV shows you

3359
02:21:57,000 --> 02:21:55,449
know that they get the cancellation

3360
02:21:58,740 --> 02:21:57,010
notice and they've already filmed all

3361
02:22:01,800 --> 02:21:58,750
the episodes for a season so they don't

3362
02:22:03,479 --> 02:22:01,810
consider well wait a minute what if this

3363
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is gonna be the final year it doesn't

3364
02:22:06,630 --> 02:22:04,479
matter you know if it's a one-off

3365
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episode if each episodes self-contained

3366
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like Law & Order LA but if it's a

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serialized drama where you get invested

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02:22:15,359 --> 02:22:12,970
in the characters and the events and

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that comes to an end in the end is not

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satisfactory don't forget to write us

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02:25:58,359 --> 02:25:56,630
make optimal levels of glutathione it

3461
02:26:00,849 --> 02:25:58,369
needs an abundance of the amino acid

3462
02:26:03,790 --> 02:26:00,859
cysteine the highest dietary source of

3463
02:26:06,279 --> 02:26:03,800
cysteine is non denatured whey protein

3464
02:26:08,139 --> 02:26:06,289
powder from grass-fed cows the most non

3465
02:26:10,660 --> 02:26:08,149
denatured whey protein powder on the

3466
02:26:12,849 --> 02:26:10,670
market is one world way one world whey

3467
02:26:15,130 --> 02:26:12,859
is an industry-first with it's truthful

3468
02:26:17,439 --> 02:26:15,140
process it retains all the active

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02:26:19,540 --> 02:26:17,449
components of fresh raw way one world

3470
02:26:21,819 --> 02:26:19,550
whey is rich in immune bodybuilding and

3471
02:26:24,340 --> 02:26:21,829
detoxification factors that make it a

3472
02:26:25,750 --> 02:26:24,350
life-giving power food for everyone one

3473
02:26:27,460 --> 02:26:25,760
world whey is sweetened with cold

3474
02:26:29,380 --> 02:26:27,470
processed stevia and comes in three

3475
02:26:31,569 --> 02:26:29,390
delicious flavors to hear some

3476
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:31,579
impressive testimonies go to one world

3477
02:26:36,849 --> 02:26:33,770
wacom that's one world

3478
02:26:38,559 --> 02:26:36,859
WHU ey dot-com or call eight eight eight

3479
02:26:41,260 --> 02:26:38,569
nine eight eight three three two five

3480
02:26:44,200 --> 02:26:41,270
are you tired of searching

3481
02:26:48,519 --> 02:26:44,210
for great talk radio more important

3482
02:26:53,380 --> 02:26:48,529
asserts over what we are the GCM radio

3483
02:26:56,649 --> 02:26:53,390
networks hi this is ted phillips

3484
02:27:04,029 --> 02:26:56,659
listening to the ferret cat and it's as

3485
02:27:06,189 --> 02:27:04,039
good as it gets believe me it comes to

3486
02:27:09,010 --> 02:27:06,199
this if you're in the para cast a

3487
02:27:10,740 --> 02:27:09,020
special shoptalk session where basically

3488
02:27:13,599 --> 02:27:10,750
Chris and I have been talking about for

3489
02:27:15,309 --> 02:27:13,609
lo these many hours the things we're

3490
02:27:17,830 --> 02:27:15,319
working on the things we might not work

3491
02:27:20,710 --> 02:27:17,840
on and thus and so and we got in talking

3492
02:27:23,200 --> 02:27:20,720
about movies about aliens about science

3493
02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:23,210
fiction stories alien culture all that

3494
02:27:27,670 --> 02:27:26,329
how we think about what aliens might be

3495
02:27:30,760 --> 02:27:27,680
what form they might take but we're

3496
02:27:32,410 --> 02:27:30,770
looking for m-class planets earth-type

3497
02:27:34,660 --> 02:27:32,420
planets you know we say you know if

3498
02:27:37,179 --> 02:27:34,670
we're gonna look for et he has to be

3499
02:27:39,399 --> 02:27:37,189
like us isn't that a mistake well I

3500
02:27:41,439 --> 02:27:39,409
would think so how do we know there's

3501
02:27:43,599 --> 02:27:41,449
not methane-based life-forms or a

3502
02:27:45,279 --> 02:27:43,609
silicon-based life-form well we've

3503
02:27:46,630 --> 02:27:45,289
already started to realize that that's

3504
02:27:48,639 --> 02:27:46,640
one of the recent developments that

3505
02:27:51,460 --> 02:27:48,649
they're ammonia-based that life-form

3506
02:27:53,290 --> 02:27:51,470
how do we know we don't one of the

3507
02:27:55,479 --> 02:27:53,300
science fiction novels that I wrote with

3508
02:27:57,609 --> 02:27:55,489
my son Greyson we wrote a series of free

3509
02:27:59,769 --> 02:27:57,619
novels called tack of the rock woods one

3510
02:28:02,649 --> 02:27:59,779
is out two more will be out shortly and

3511
02:28:06,279 --> 02:28:02,659
we do talk of a silicon-based life-form

3512
02:28:09,340 --> 02:28:06,289
in one of those novels following that of

3513
02:28:11,649 --> 02:28:09,350
course that background that life doesn't

3514
02:28:14,590 --> 02:28:11,659
have to be carbon-based as we know it

3515
02:28:17,559 --> 02:28:14,600
and then it goes back to if the life

3516
02:28:19,750 --> 02:28:17,569
form is based on other chemicals we

3517
02:28:21,460 --> 02:28:19,760
couldn't accept it could we well I don't

3518
02:28:25,059 --> 02:28:21,470
know it kind of I could see a new

3519
02:28:27,700 --> 02:28:25,069
superhero crystal man wait a minute Stan

3520
02:28:30,069 --> 02:28:27,710
Lee's listening so Stan Lee is going to

3521
02:28:32,859 --> 02:28:30,079
come out with a new character he's

3522
02:28:35,170 --> 02:28:32,869
actually trying to bring into life new

3523
02:28:37,899 --> 02:28:35,180
characters DC Comics doesn't do that I

3524
02:28:40,029 --> 02:28:37,909
mean you have Superman you have the

3525
02:28:41,979 --> 02:28:40,039
Green Arrow Green Lantern they're making

3526
02:28:44,170 --> 02:28:41,989
a movie of him but how many of those

3527
02:28:47,229 --> 02:28:44,180
characters out there will Batman for

3528
02:28:49,510 --> 02:28:47,239
example okay but how many DC characters

3529
02:28:52,210 --> 02:28:49,520
are still around how many new DC

3530
02:28:54,710 --> 02:28:52,220
characters DC heroes have come to be

3531
02:28:56,719 --> 02:28:54,720
well I can't even think of any right

3532
02:29:00,940 --> 02:28:56,729
you know beyond Green Lantern Green

3533
02:29:04,040 --> 02:29:00,950
Arrow Hawkman Aquaman Superman Batman

3534
02:29:04,820 --> 02:29:04,050
who else Supergirl but you know part of

3535
02:29:08,090 --> 02:29:04,830
the same universe

3536
02:29:10,719 --> 02:29:08,100
crystal man crystal man as opposed to

3537
02:29:14,120 --> 02:29:10,729
crystal meth now from the planet silica

3538
02:29:17,000 --> 02:29:14,130
okay write this down patent the site

3539
02:29:19,849 --> 02:29:17,010
crystal mancom Alisa bills stories

3540
02:29:21,260 --> 02:29:19,859
people while the new ages will try to

3541
02:29:25,940 --> 02:29:21,270
get a channel in or something

3542
02:29:27,469 --> 02:29:25,950
of course he wears the Crystal Skull you

3543
02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:27,479
know happy doing an episode soon about

3544
02:29:31,580 --> 02:29:29,130
crystal skulls the only time we ever

3545
02:29:34,790 --> 02:29:31,590
talked about skulls in general was this

3546
02:29:37,429 --> 02:29:34,800
one from Lloyd Pye wait which got a lot

3547
02:29:40,370 --> 02:29:37,439
of the skeptical treatment no boy who

3548
02:29:42,559 --> 02:29:40,380
didn't it we had Tommy Allison who was

3549
02:29:44,840 --> 02:29:42,569
an artist who was doing a rendering of

3550
02:29:46,580 --> 02:29:44,850
the Crystal Skull or the skull that

3551
02:29:49,969 --> 02:29:46,590
Lloyd Pye had acquired it was the

3552
02:29:51,469 --> 02:29:49,979
Starchild the Starchild but you've been

3553
02:29:54,200 --> 02:29:51,479
in touch over the years with crystal

3554
02:29:56,059 --> 02:29:54,210
stove-pipe people right oh yeah yeah

3555
02:29:59,960 --> 02:29:56,069
absolutely in fact I helped co-produced

3556
02:30:02,570 --> 02:29:59,970
say a DVD documentary called the search

3557
02:30:05,719 --> 02:30:02,580
for the crystal skulls with David

3558
02:30:07,160 --> 02:30:05,729
Childress Steven Mahler Bill Holman

3559
02:30:10,910 --> 02:30:07,170
who's now the custodian of the

3560
02:30:14,750 --> 02:30:10,920
mitchell-hedges skull JJ hurtak came out

3561
02:30:16,490 --> 02:30:14,760
of a rare appearance on video talking

3562
02:30:19,070 --> 02:30:16,500
about the skulls and it's a fascinating

3563
02:30:21,590 --> 02:30:19,080
subject and we are working on getting a

3564
02:30:26,870 --> 02:30:21,600
crystal skull episode together to look

3565
02:30:28,610 --> 02:30:26,880
at the entire subject and maybe dig in a

3566
02:30:30,969 --> 02:30:28,620
little deeper on some of the beliefs

3567
02:30:33,620 --> 02:30:30,979
that have sprung up around the subject

3568
02:30:35,599 --> 02:30:33,630
which i think is important to

3569
02:30:38,570 --> 02:30:35,609
differentiate between what we know and

3570
02:30:40,750 --> 02:30:38,580
what we think we know okay crystal skull

3571
02:30:43,340 --> 02:30:40,760
episodes coming soon the power cast also

3572
02:30:45,469 --> 02:30:43,350
: Bennett to talk about that book flying

3573
02:30:46,880 --> 02:30:45,479
saucers over the White House which I'm

3574
02:30:49,010 --> 02:30:46,890
reading right now I love it

3575
02:30:51,740 --> 02:30:49,020
and they also presented with the book

3576
02:30:53,719 --> 02:30:51,750
and the press kit a copy of the report

3577
02:30:56,150 --> 02:30:53,729
on unidentified flying objects by the

3578
02:30:59,090 --> 02:30:56,160
late Edward Roop health right and the

3579
02:31:00,710 --> 02:30:59,100
book is about Rupa dolls process in the

3580
02:31:01,770 --> 02:31:00,720
short time that he was involved with

3581
02:31:03,660 --> 02:31:01,780
with

3582
02:31:05,970 --> 02:31:03,670
Bluebook before it's very early an

3583
02:31:08,700 --> 02:31:05,980
untimely death he died of a heart attack

3584
02:31:11,011 --> 02:31:08,710
like 40 years old I mean so unfortunate

3585
02:31:14,660 --> 02:31:11,021
I kind of think today you know because

3586
02:31:17,160 --> 02:31:14,670
of the way things have changed today if

3587
02:31:19,350 --> 02:31:17,170
that sort of thing had happened someone

3588
02:31:22,230 --> 02:31:19,360
had heart disease at 35 or 40 years of

3589
02:31:24,841 --> 02:31:22,240
age they'd survive you know there's a

3590
02:31:26,610 --> 02:31:24,851
much better chance no the final question

3591
02:31:28,350 --> 02:31:26,620
asked and we have a few moments left

3592
02:31:31,620 --> 02:31:28,360
with this episode the power cast the

3593
02:31:34,290 --> 02:31:31,630
shop talking episode that is the pro

3594
02:31:36,180 --> 02:31:34,300
feature power cast Pro what's it going

3595
02:31:39,180 --> 02:31:36,190
to contain we're still talking about

3596
02:31:41,700 --> 02:31:39,190
that and forum that the power cast calm

3597
02:31:43,680 --> 02:31:41,710
still welcoming the features let me just

3598
02:31:45,720 --> 02:31:43,690
kind of give you a background on this

3599
02:31:48,001 --> 02:31:45,730
okay folks we're talking about a

3600
02:31:50,631 --> 02:31:48,011
freemium service for a modest monthly or

3601
02:31:52,560 --> 02:31:50,641
annual fee we give you extra features

3602
02:31:55,320 --> 02:31:52,570
content that's not part of the normal

3603
02:31:58,440 --> 02:31:55,330
episodes the normal episode I'm a GCN

3604
02:32:00,511 --> 02:31:58,450
network by podcasts online always gonna

3605
02:32:02,820 --> 02:32:00,521
be free in exchange for that of course

3606
02:32:04,290 --> 02:32:02,830
we have ads from our advertisers our

3607
02:32:06,390 --> 02:32:04,300
benefactors that's how it works

3608
02:32:09,030 --> 02:32:06,400
we're thinking of having a professional

3609
02:32:11,940 --> 02:32:09,040
version of the power cast power cast Pro

3610
02:32:13,680 --> 02:32:11,950
where we'd offer a special custom

3611
02:32:15,780 --> 02:32:13,690
content Chris has been working on stuff

3612
02:32:17,610 --> 02:32:15,790
now stuff that won't be available to

3613
02:32:20,370 --> 02:32:17,620
regular members you have to join the

3614
02:32:23,700 --> 02:32:20,380
service special message boards maybe the

3615
02:32:25,440 --> 02:32:23,710
older access to episodes over a year we

3616
02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:25,450
might put that in the premium service

3617
02:32:29,160 --> 02:32:27,610
not because we're trying to betray our

3618
02:32:31,410 --> 02:32:29,170
listeners I mean if the show's been out

3619
02:32:33,660 --> 02:32:31,420
over a year we kind of think everybody

3620
02:32:36,480 --> 02:32:33,670
who's currently a listeners had a chance

3621
02:32:37,921 --> 02:32:36,490
to download those episodes so maybe

3622
02:32:41,910 --> 02:32:37,931
we'll put them in the premium service

3623
02:32:44,220 --> 02:32:41,920
we'll see special blogs other content in

3624
02:32:47,100 --> 02:32:44,230
video you know right you're right I'm

3625
02:32:49,980 --> 02:32:47,110
gearing up for four I'm getting the

3626
02:32:52,560 --> 02:32:49,990
green screen studio together here in

3627
02:32:55,950 --> 02:32:52,570
Arizona and I'm planning on doing a

3628
02:32:59,610 --> 02:32:55,960
series of weekly you know sort of blog

3629
02:33:02,820 --> 02:32:59,620
casts if you will and that could be also

3630
02:33:06,091 --> 02:33:02,830
made available Plus on my recent trip I

3631
02:33:08,600 --> 02:33:06,101
got some very interesting interviews two

3632
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:08,610
30-minute interviews with David Perkins

3633
02:33:12,779 --> 02:33:11,530
absolutely fascinating stuff can't wait

3634
02:33:14,939 --> 02:33:12,789
to get David on the show

3635
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:14,949
he's super busy right now I can't do it

3636
02:33:19,229 --> 02:33:17,050
but in the meantime I've got these two

3637
02:33:21,359 --> 02:33:19,239
wonderful interviews that are it's it's

3638
02:33:24,149 --> 02:33:21,369
down and dirty I think that's the

3639
02:33:25,590 --> 02:33:24,159
tagline that we might want to use on

3640
02:33:28,250 --> 02:33:25,600
some of these interviews because these

3641
02:33:31,410 --> 02:33:28,260
are uncensored unfettered and

3642
02:33:36,120 --> 02:33:31,420
eye-popping I also would not go on

3643
02:33:38,939 --> 02:33:36,130
broadcast radio or TV no okay maybe HBO

3644
02:33:40,739 --> 02:33:38,949
or Showtime possibly but the key here

3645
02:33:43,649 --> 02:33:40,749
again once again and I want to repeat

3646
02:33:45,779 --> 02:33:43,659
this we will not betray our trust we

3647
02:33:47,279 --> 02:33:45,789
have free forms the full episode of the

3648
02:33:49,290 --> 02:33:47,289
show is free now some people out there

3649
02:33:50,760 --> 02:33:49,300
they give you half a show if you want

3650
02:33:52,889 --> 02:33:50,770
the other half you pay them we're not

3651
02:33:54,300 --> 02:33:52,899
doing that and in exchange for that of

3652
02:33:56,069 --> 02:33:54,310
course we get the ads like any other

3653
02:33:58,769 --> 02:33:56,079
network radio show but I think that's

3654
02:34:00,809 --> 02:33:58,779
best because I don't think everyone has

3655
02:34:03,269 --> 02:34:00,819
the money at hand whether it's five

3656
02:34:05,189 --> 02:34:03,279
seven dollars whatever it is a month we

3657
02:34:06,679 --> 02:34:05,199
don't think everyone can do it we want

3658
02:34:08,819 --> 02:34:06,689
to make it available for those who do

3659
02:34:10,229 --> 02:34:08,829
obviously it helps us too because it

3660
02:34:13,050 --> 02:34:10,239
gives us a little bit more income and

3661
02:34:15,149 --> 02:34:13,060
you can't have enough these days because

3662
02:34:17,729 --> 02:34:15,159
of the state of the economy so we have

3663
02:34:19,800 --> 02:34:17,739
this regular feature this added feature

3664
02:34:22,889 --> 02:34:19,810
we welcome your suggestions again and

3665
02:34:25,109 --> 02:34:22,899
you can write us news at the para cast

3666
02:34:28,559 --> 02:34:25,119
icon to use at the para cast com we have

3667
02:34:32,099 --> 02:34:28,569
a forum thread for para cast Pro at our

3668
02:34:33,870 --> 02:34:32,109
forums at forum dot para cast com where

3669
02:34:35,790 --> 02:34:33,880
you make your suggestions of what you'd

3670
02:34:37,529 --> 02:34:35,800
like to see what kind of extra content

3671
02:34:38,790 --> 02:34:37,539
and we're going through that right now

3672
02:34:41,189 --> 02:34:38,800
by the way we're looking at new logos

3673
02:34:42,929 --> 02:34:41,199
for the power cast and I just got four

3674
02:34:44,460 --> 02:34:42,939
or five of them as we do this episode

3675
02:34:46,410 --> 02:34:44,470
that Chris and I are gonna look over

3676
02:34:48,420 --> 02:34:46,420
maybe we'll get your votes on them and

3677
02:34:51,000 --> 02:34:48,430
we've had some really talented artists

3678
02:34:53,700 --> 02:34:51,010
out there oh they're just magnificent

3679
02:34:55,170 --> 02:34:53,710
and the reason we're changing the logo

3680
02:34:56,790 --> 02:34:55,180
is very simple I'll be honest about it I

3681
02:34:58,769 --> 02:34:56,800
think we have a great logo right now

3682
02:35:00,599 --> 02:34:58,779
it's designed by Jeff fritzman remember

3683
02:35:02,519 --> 02:35:00,609
Jeff fritzman of course he's on another

3684
02:35:04,769 --> 02:35:02,529
show right now which I will not mention

3685
02:35:06,809 --> 02:35:04,779
for obvious reasons he's a UFO

3686
02:35:10,290 --> 02:35:06,819
researcher an experiencer did some great

3687
02:35:14,099 --> 02:35:10,300
artwork but the hand reminds you of

3688
02:35:17,189 --> 02:35:14,109
another program called fringe the TV

3689
02:35:19,800 --> 02:35:17,199
show fringe has the hand looks like our

3690
02:35:22,739 --> 02:35:19,810
hand now our hand came out first and the

3691
02:35:23,660 --> 02:35:22,749
producers of Fringe JJ Abrams hasn't

3692
02:35:29,630 --> 02:35:23,670
come after

3693
02:35:31,040 --> 02:35:29,640
it's time we get rid of the hand yeah we

3694
02:35:33,229 --> 02:35:31,050
should we should go out to them

3695
02:35:35,179 --> 02:35:33,239
should we hey there's a lawyer out there

3696
02:35:36,889 --> 02:35:35,189
who'd be willing to take this case on

3697
02:35:40,939 --> 02:35:36,899
kids you know what the lawyer would say

3698
02:35:43,059 --> 02:35:40,949
Jean what we ought to the end well you

3699
02:35:46,700 --> 02:35:43,069
know it's the hand that rocks the cradle

3700
02:35:49,550 --> 02:35:46,710
or the cradle that rocks the hand this

3701
02:35:51,920 --> 02:35:49,560
has been fun all we did to prepare for

3702
02:35:55,519 --> 02:35:51,930
this was say hey we're gonna hang out

3703
02:35:58,040 --> 02:35:55,529
for three hours and just talk shop talk

3704
02:36:00,229 --> 02:35:58,050
about the show our experiences open it

3705
02:36:02,630 --> 02:36:00,239
for your questions which we did give you

3706
02:36:06,139 --> 02:36:02,640
people a chance to ask us anything

3707
02:36:07,580 --> 02:36:06,149
and we'd answer it we didn't ignore any

3708
02:36:09,559 --> 02:36:07,590
questions by the way in case you need

3709
02:36:12,050 --> 02:36:09,569
them all nothing on the cutting room

3710
02:36:14,389 --> 02:36:12,060
floor Chris where do we find more of the

3711
02:36:17,359 --> 02:36:14,399
stuff you do well we're revamping the

3712
02:36:19,569 --> 02:36:17,369
old our strange planet.com website we're

3713
02:36:22,910 --> 02:36:19,579
going with a new user-friendly wordpress

3714
02:36:25,609 --> 02:36:22,920
scenario and you can always find out

3715
02:36:28,250 --> 02:36:25,619
about my work there also obviously I

3716
02:36:30,019 --> 02:36:28,260
have a book stalking the tricksters so

3717
02:36:32,599 --> 02:36:30,029
which I do recommend for anyone that

3718
02:36:35,149 --> 02:36:32,609
wants to look at all these subjects

3719
02:36:36,620 --> 02:36:35,159
coming out of the box perspective and

3720
02:36:39,139 --> 02:36:36,630
look at the mechanism that makes it all

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fun and exciting and of course I am a

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moderator at formed out the podcast calm

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you'll always see me lurking about every

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week for five and a half years here we

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are Jean Steinberg and now Chris O'Brien

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our co-host yes ladies and gentlemen

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is calculated presentation of making the

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impossible incorporated tune in next

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week for a new adventure in apparent